About $300. Miraculously, no one was hit by the bullet, which ricocheted around inside the vehicle. In 1974 if you bought a Colt 1911, you left the gun store and then immediately took it to your favorite gunsmith and said Make it work it with Super-Vels, please. You cant get away with that today. The bullet struck a soldier in the leg. 1) The p320 doesnt hold the striker fully to the rear. I didnt even touch it! I went to an outdoor public range with a local SWAT entry team leader. The hype leading up to the P365 was pretty intense and the LGS sold a bunch of those. Mechanical engagement of sear to striker not deep enough (wanted lighter, smoother trigger pull without giving it any hand workmanship required with the deep notch much safer classic systems made since 1900) Result another big fail. This leads me to conclude that the problem is not the gear but the moron using it. The fact that Shatner was doing Wrath of Kahn meet and greets at 90 years old kind of soured me. Bravo. My dad owned one and that is exactly what happened one time when he was using it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-ZZ6pynGLM Whether or not the suits have merit. To put it simply, they are expensive cheaply made junk. But when you set a gun down on a table, and the damn thing goes off seconds after you let go, that sounds like a defective gun. Personally they should have gone with the Glock, its not for me but is a proven gun. This reminds me of when Gretchen Carlson sued Fox News for sexual harassment and she got 20 million dollars. And have the dropping 320 go off? At the risk of sounding superstitious lets review Sigs latest turd pistol. The pictures on the internet were enough to scare the shit out of you especially his wound in the thigh. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0LUbLu6TqA, Simply put, the P320 is not safe and the lawsuits arent frivolous. Effectively: you must be this dumb to get this job. Lastly, ship-wise I have to go with the TMP-era refit Enterprise, regardless of Captain. So park the Cops suck cause they aint gunfighters! bull**it. The Milwaukee Police Department reports "multiple unexplained accidental discharges" of the Sig Sauer P320 9mm, a gun all officers are required to carry, making for more than 1,600 firearms. Police officers (maybe) do an annual qualification and thats it. The American manufacturer of the new pistols belonging to Canadas special forces claims the soldier wounded in an accidental discharge last fall was using the wrong holster for the weapon. After the accident the unit returned to using the SIG P226 they had planned to replace with the P320. Sigs are crap! I think making guns easy to shoot has gone too far. ALL OF THEM. In June, Cambridge police Lt. Thomas Ahern filed suit, accusing Sig Sauer of selling a dangerously defective product after his P320 fired on its own while he was in the department's SWAT team van with six other officers. Happy with my old S&W revolvers, 3rd Gen S&W pistols,1911s and a slew of P226s. Neither argument is relevant or very intelligent and certainly not useful. Good job! I would trust the intelligence of a Gorilla in a zoo before any one in the Far Right. I have never had to have one serviced or replaced. It has nothing to do with Glock. I have almost a hatred for Glocks but the one thing that they are is reliable. Dude, your story is THREE years old. I was tempted to buy one at one time but no more. There were a lot of changes. My elderly aunt drove her Volvo into a parked car, and the yard behind it, and the house behind that, while she was pressing the brake as hard as she could. Strangely the car kept accelerating, almost as if she were flooring the gas pedal. These lawsuits ARE about SIG making defective weapons. As a striker-fired pistol, the P320 is "under constant pressure to fire," Bagnell said. . To me it was unreal, $600 to ask a question about WOK and a picture. The thing is, youd probably need to generate many Gs of force in both directions simultaneously. Google Keith Slatowski, is he lying also? BAM. The lawsuit, filed Wednesday on behalf of . If it were the guns, there would be thousands of cases involving citizensbut there arent. 00:03. As they should. Someone is going to read this thread and be bewildered. Seems kind of like a Sig apologist article. He probably had a double until it was over. I dont consider the drop-bang issue a failure and Sigs response was actually above any real need, except to perhaps deflect any easy wins for slime ambulance chasers I get that. . But that's not working in the P320, he said. Asking for a friend. And the idea some random comment section P320 hater thinks theyre smarter & more knowledgeable than the Army, Navy, Airforce, Coast Guard and Marine Corp combined regarding military pistol selection is just freaking laughable! It was one of the first ones and was sent back as a voluntary upgrade. No Warp core, just a quantum singularity, The engine was basically a dorm fridge. I have been purchasing and using Sig firearms exclusively for over 40 years. The thing I hate is getting kicked around! The P320 should be scrapped and SIG Sauer USA should redesign a new pistol around the striker firing mechanism instead of just retrofitting a hammer fired pistol (P250). If it was so bad, why did the US Marines, who had the Glock, drop it in favor of the carry sized P320, the M18? This is this same company that couldnt build their own freaking rifles after multiple attempts (Sig SG550 series) when that rifle had been made in Switzerland for years without issue. That is exactly why all civilized countries have Government Agencies that monitor companies that have a callus disregard for human life and are only interested in the quick buck. This will include an alternate design that reduces the physical weight of the trigger, sear, and striker while additionally adding a mechanical disconnector. D. Ron, Over the top, hammy and with incredible choleric energy, but as he once said, when you trying to seriously sell a scene that has space ship with obvious carboard walls, christmas lights and a guy in a rubber gorilla suit with a plastic horn on its head, if you play it lowkey youre dead the audience is gonna focus on how cheesy it all is. Have you ever noticed that big trouble usually comes in groups of 3. On the other hand, would we also condemn him for violating Rule 2 if the bullet had travelled through his outside wall, entered the adjacent house, and killed a resident thereof, or would we maybe, just maybe, place some blame on the manufacturer who created the pistol? Sound familiar? The VIP screening with the meet and greet was like $600. How many times did Shatner actually watch it? COPYRIGHT 2021, THETRUTHABOUTGUNS.COM. I dunno if its a case of lowest bidders blues or what. Harrison stated that, I have not seen enough to convince me that the upgraded version is dangerous., When ABCs David Scott asked Harrison if its a mystery whats going wrong with the updated version though Harrison had just stated the upgraded pistol isnt dangerous Harrison said, I do not have an explanation for why the updated version should have complaints from trained individuals. So the tally goes against the surrounding area, not against the gun free zone. He would have been booted after the first time, but being a cop comes with some special privileges. Hey, Im glad theres somethings we agree on! That being the case, the 320 is a cocked and locked striker-fired gun; However, it only has two safeties, unlike, say, a 1911, which has four: An inertial firing pin, a positive firing-pin locking safety, a manual sear-locking/blocking safety, and a trigger-bar-blocking grip safety. Trigger is lighter than the Glock, it took years of aggressive training to reach the point of acceptable discharges with the Glock. You arent a gunfighter, either. When Villani was asked for his opinion of SIG Sauer, he said, I carry SIGs, I own SIGs, I just dont own a 320nor would I ever. When Scott asked Villani what he found when he took a P320 apart, he said, I thought Wow, they need to do their homework, they need to fix this gun.. Remember also that with a handful of notable exceptions, modern firearms do not just go off, no matter what is later claimed by those who may be held responsible. Sounds like these officers and others are attempting to cover their posteriors. I can say we are aware of the statement released by SIG SAUER, said Maj. Amber Bineau. One of the officers a few years ago was carrying his P320 in a P226 holster that he took a Dremel to make the P320 fit. With the 320, the striker is in full-cock position, and held there through the operation of the trigger sear and the positive striker-blocking safety. Rather, it's because those LEO P320 pistols are seeing much more physical action than ones carried by civilians. SIG doesnt so you get killed by a punk with a Hi Point. Fine. 3 disaster is true and if it is Sig will go all out to cover it up if it was. Funny how that works. The investigation revealed the use of an incorrect holster not designed for a [SIG] P320, said the statement, which was released Friday and posted to a U.S. online pro-industry publication, Soldier Systems. The design was incorporated from Bruce Grays trigger kit around the time of the original drop safety fix. This gun had been voluntary upgraded. That focus drifts. Its not happening on your person without some catastrophic event. It seems safe to assume that while SIG is coming up fast on the outside, GLOCK is still most likely the reigning champ in terms of the firearms most often carried by law enforcement and other government agencies. I lost $150 dumping that gun and Sig instead of acknowledging that it had a problem and calling it a recall, denied all and everything and called it a voluntary upgrade., At my LGS a P320 just went off when one of the guys put it the counter when he set up a target. Would you? Anyway there was one good thing to come from those movies, The USS Vengeance. Got a 40 SW P320 SC on my hip now, got one in 9mm within reach, so far neither has decided to trip the sear without my help. The problems associate with those pistols (and the P365) have long since been ironed out. When he put his hand on the grip, the weapon fired, according to the lawsuit. The heads up testing was immediately finished the Sig was the winner. Its a novelty, its got issues! Everyone knows Glocks are the absolute pinnacle of perfection and have never had one single defect ever! Sig can burn for all I care. And many departments across the country have had to lower their standards for passing qualifications just to be able to hire on and keep officers. Aug 25, 2021 pluong91 said: Hello all users that plan on making a P320 Accidental Discharge Threads -We love our P320's and have done the research when these articles and lawsuits came out, we don't need you to tell us, we have done our due diligence. The HK VP70 was made in 1970 when Gaston Glock was making curtain rods. Its hard to say yet but with anything follow the basic safety rules. There are a few examples, I admitS&Ws M&P from around 2014 were near junk and I wouldnt have bothered to own one as a trotline weight, but apparently S&W had righted that ship since then. 3. A fine of up to $10,000. In fact, I dont own ANY striker fired polymer pistol. Second, your claim that the military is dumping because theyre problematic? who sells them? They've also been adopted as duty guns by law enforcement agencies across the country. Not only is it now the designated sidearm of all branches of the U.S. military, there are over a million of them in civilian hands. Dont quote the four rules of safety in your article when all the hotness in the gun world is appendix carry pointing something at an extremity and the photos you use showing front slide serrationsputting your hands fingers near the business end of the barrel, because press checks from the front is the way all the cool operator guys do it. The trigger bar has to push up on it, for it to release. My trust for Sig stopped after they produced the beloved Sig556xi Russian. Then Weve got to go 9mm Nato. And hasnt been nothing but looking for the holy grail since. Then either the gun somehow managed to magically clear both the broken tab and foreign body to continue to operate. Big public relations disaster and Sig tries a second time to get the piece of shit to work and not go off when dropped. Yaaay! At least the Gorilla is still evolving while the Far Right proved to be an evolutionary dead end, one of natures mistakes. 2. It sounds the same as arguing whether Captain Marvel could beat Superman up in a fist fight its pretty absurd and laughable. Police officers do NOT get a lot of training unless theyre doing it on their own time at their own expense. (unless theyre SWAT or something). They did, however, note that when they were contacted by ABC, the company pointed out specific circumstances that were subsequently uncovered in the investigations of a number of these incidents. ABCs own hired consultant, who appears to have no dog in these fights, asserted that he could find no reasonable explanation for these claims and that he considers the upgraded P320 pistols safe for sale to law enforcement and the public. (c) If conduct constituting an offense under this section also constitutes an offense under another . Training and experience are not a talisman that magically prevents accidents. These lawsuits arent about Sig making a defective weapon, theyre about lawyers building a nationwide consensus in civil trial that makes it easier (and more lucrative) to soak gunmakers. The SIG will be the shortest military contract for guns in history. You have entered an incorrect email address! My gun just went off! Period. Alec Baldwin fatally shot a cinematographer and injured a director with a prop gun on the set of the film "Rust" and the distraught actor repeatedly asked afterwards why he . The Glock fails on both counts. Theyve gotten tons of contracts because the gun is cheap, cheap, cheap to make. I dont care about the upgrade that should never happen. I own Serpa holsters in multiple configurations (1911, Beretta 96, H&K, Springfield, etc) for most of the time theyve been around and I NEVER had an ND. On Nov. 5, 2020, a recently-purchased SIG Sauer P320 pistol went off unexpectedly at a training range in Dwyer Hill, outside of Ottawa. OR some gorilla with more brawn than brains ignored the 40lb trigger pull they suddenly had to break the tab. And the fact they used real models, and big ones, gives the ships a real sense of heft, mass, movement and solidity that the garbage CGI ships of the new movies just cannot remotely compete with. They passed every state and national drop test requirement out there. To give you an example of early self-propelled lawn mowers if you lost your grip on the handles the mower would not shut off and it would take off on its own right down the street all by itself. He wasnt aware of it until contacted earlier this week by CBC News and suggested it was relevant in ongoing litigation in the U.S. We look forward to reviewing the incident in discovery in the United States, he said Friday.
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