(Note that Jupiter is the natural co-ruler of the 12th, so it will behave in a Pisces-like manner, here.) I fell onto another man after that whom I had a very deep dark sexual connection to and whom I shared a heavy 8th composite chart with. It contains everything and nothing . It can be in a subconscious way, and you subconsciously want to have all of the power and control. His Neptune conjuncts my SN orb 003 People who fight for justice for others often have Juno prominent in the chart. In our synastry chart, we also have exact Chiron/Venus opposition. Composite Sun in 1 st House. Ive seen couples with a heavy 12th house influence utterly befuddled and bedazzled by their lives (which dont go the way their friends lives go). Chiron in 12th House Meaning, Chiron in Twelfth House Meaning. I cant stop the regretful feelings. Is there nothing better to hope for? We went through hell together, we loved each other, we saved each other, we saved others together, we could practically feel and read one another. They think no one cares whether they are present or absent. (Were married 16 years, and now we are old!) Lovely article. Thank You very much for Your answer and very best regards from Hungary again! RUN ? Hi WhitelotusI use both the Midpoint and the Davison charts in synastry. Aspects to composite planets will fill in the details. Thank you very much Dawn. Any insight you may have would be extremely helpful, I am having difficulty understanding this 12th house energy. They are the lilith wearing an "eve mask". I felt (sorry to say) that he is the big love of my life! But it was very devastating experience getting physical, it really failed the first time and we didnt try it again. i give it much meaning because i really feel a psychic connection and a karmic fate, but again that could be just me since i have a heavy neptune but nothing in my natal 12th. We are happy when were together but he took a job 2 hours away and moved into our country house which I have now come to hate. Could I ask Your opinion? 08.05.20. Weve known each other for a decade??? Often, Sun/Neptune relationships just fade away or dissolve without anyone knowing why. Bright blessings to you. Your email address will not be published. The lack of posturing and display of ego gives others the chance to have a "day in the sun," endearing the 12th house sun to the person they gave the chance to shine. Lilith square . I am a pisces sun, mercury, mars. But the problem with Neptune and XII house synastric connections, is that illusions seem to possess not your brain, but your flesh and soul. The Mars/Neptune square did bring an element of slipperiness, but mostly irritating fibbing on his part. Can you say anything on the north node transiting the twelfth house on a composite? Transit Mercury in the 12th House Meaning, Transit Birth Chart, Mercury Astrology Free Interpretations . Its difficult because boundaries dissolve and we find it hard to maintain our separateness, which is necessary in a healthy relationship. Neptunes great teaching is that love is a powerful force in and of itself, and should not be used as a binder. We challenge each other to be the best versions of ourselves. Im trying to figure it out. But on the whole the midpoint chart is a chart about the essence and purpose of a relationship and the Davison chart is more about the external realities of a relationship. However, when I examine our composite chart, I was shocked. hi dawn. You are great!!!!!!!!!!! Wow very insightful thank you so much, I love your writing!! Do you think perhaps its just the heavily dominated 12th house of our composite chart thats responsible for my belief that we may be twin flames? This is a complicated question and needs a subtle analysis in the chart, but on the whole, planets in the first house side of the angle center around the development of a healthy sense of Self, of ego, whereas planets on the 12th house side of the angle will be dealing with karma surrounding ego choices, and the planets will take on a more archetypal energy and effect. They usually experience issues with drugs or alcohol. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. He literally proposed to me the night we met. In synastry, the house the Moon is in will show the area of life that someone touches another on a deep and personal level. but the rising is scorpio. But there will be some crisis where they have to define their love and anchor it some useful purpose. So beautifully written Dawn. Whether the energy between them manifests positively or negatively has to do with aspects to Pluto in both charts and aspects with the North Node rulers. You can imagine the past 10 years have not been easy. Hi Evelyne. in the 12th house, you might be safe in assuming that there was a marriage or long-term relationship in a past life. I have to come to grips with it (what you said) altough it is not an easy thing for me when it comes to love (being an Aries lol I want to love with a passion and not just except it as an idea). All this seems to confirm your analyses of the other composite houses, as well. *And in Synastry- My Chiron RIsing (asc in Taurus) sits in his 12th house) In contrast, couples who come together to create something for the collective often have the appropriate planets in the composite 12th, there for all to see. What is your thought on this. What of mother-daughter pairs? Also, forgive my double Virgo and the fact that I was once an editor: the phrase is unrequited love not unrequired. Sorry. He says what on thinking. My progressed Uranus will be in my 7th house for the rest of my life. Was our purpose to heal each other? The 12th house conjunction in Cancer indicates that there is a nurturing issue between you that needs resolving. .why is neptune conjunct sun so bad in composite? I cant really comment without seeing the charts. I think this is SO true . The fellow and I have composite sun/Mercury conjunct in the 12th, making an out of sign conjunction to the ascendant. Any insights you may have would be greatly appreciated! It confuses us, as is appropriate with a house that Neptune rules. I met this men who i recall seeing 20 years ago once and a couple of other times within that 20 years. With Lilith so deeply involved, this relationship has a direct bearing on your feelings about your sexual power. I read once if someones pluto is attached to his own north node that would mean if the person puts anything between himself and god he will loose it, because that is what Pluto teaches. The Autumn Schedule is Here! With 4, 8 and 12 emphasized, youll have to deal with one another in an emotionally honest way, no matter what karma you have to work out together. I dont know why im writing you this because uncounsciously know this relationship was all about love and let go. Could be a seperation. There is probably some sort of inequality and that can be good for employee/employer or guru/student relationships. Its what happens when a sensitive person loves another human being. The 12th house is all about past life astrology, so the planets can . Composite Pluto in the 12th House With Composite Pluto in the 12th house, you may struggle over power and control in ways that aren't obvious. Learn More. First of all, head to astro.com head to extended chart selection . Unable to forget it? Thank you for your answer. Oh, and we have a 7 year old son. Then we hurt each other. Unfortunately, the 12th House is one of the hardest places for Lilith to be. "Composite Chart, Midpoint- method (2)". Also my moon is conjuct to his sun both ways. My natal Venus conjuncts composite IC and his natal Mars conjuncts composite MC. So sad! In the composite only our venus and moon are conjunct in the 12th. My nn is conjunct his sun and mercury. What do you think? But I think you can count on that Jupiter for evoking good will between you should you decide to reconcile. IF THIS IS NOT A TRAGIC LOVE STORY THAN WHAT IS? I have learned to surrender much but our relationship isnt surviving, we cant let go altogether and cant seem to be together. The relationship is both a working one and personal/intimate. I do all these within a synastry consulation. however, we are very well aspected with neptune in trine and sextile to our nodes, as our sun, but our vertex is opposed and conjucted. It has left a hole in my heart, (composite chiron conjunct asc) and I suffered from insomnia regretting I should or shouldnt have done. Who cares? The relationship is a very private one, we share many trips together, and special 12th house retreat time together. (anyone who has ever fallen in love and had planets with that person in 12th composite will know..). She becomes the energy that stands in our way even as she offers dark gifts. That was over three years ago. Fated, for sure, but lessons to learn, or something that we must finish? or sth. Youre writing is inspired. The Sun person sees in the 11th house person someone, who they can spend pleasant time with. The romantic nature of the past relationship is more emphasized which planets such as Venus, Mars, or Lilith in the twelfth house. Is it a dream come true, or a big lie? It's so "behind scenes" that it freaks me out. The synastry can show the true about our relationship, and the Davison also but less than synastry, but the Composite chart can show almost nothing. should i run away from this relationship? The composite AC is Scorpio Pluto in 12th (only planet) and Mars in 8th. The interesting thing is that we have a very unconventional relationship, mainly as friends and close allies in a spiritual cause (with the mission of saving the world, essentially), but with a new dimension of intense emotional and physical intimacy. Transit Neptune in the Composite 12th House. The attraction was instant. What should i do? You're hypersensitive to energy and emotions in your environment, including the collective, if Chiron is in the 12th House. Im glad youre enjoying it. I know this man will be in my life as long as I can imagine. I never understood that statement could you put some light on it for me? And yes, with Uranus squaring, the tendency would be to want to break away rather than face what is wrong. Please enlighten me.. Usually, when the 12th house is heavily involved, whether it be a natal chart, a comparison, or a composite, the message is to let go. . When transit Saturn is in the composite 12th house, you may feel that old issues or subconscious issues in the relationship become more of a problem, and need to be worked on, understood, and moved on from. He just wanted to keep it physical until one of us gets married with someone else. We move from the personal world, giving up our individuality along the way, to become a plaything of the collective unconscious. Hi ameNow were talking about the differences between the Davison and the midpoint charts, and thats really too complicated a topic to go into here. hi dawn:) This placement suppresses your deep subconscious a lot. Is Your experience the same? He also has 12th house stellium in his own natal chart in Scorpio. They help us understand that our capacity to love is its own reward. Find a way to bring the god down to the day to day world, so that it, too, is considered sacred. Since each of us share a natal 12th house dominion, then repeated in a shared composite strength, what you have said in your 12th house explanations all seem to feel so true. Thanks for the kind and helpful words, Dawn. Most of my relationships are like that . We all find our gods where we can and must. What you are fascinated by is your own longing to acknowledge and feel this power. I do use the Black Moon Lilith in my composites, but what she represents there is a whole article of its own. Watch out for substance abuse and addictions. I still could love this man with his faults which I know he has but he is so caring and nice. Lilith in the 3rd House: Those with Lilith in the 3rd house may have a dark sense of humor, be into alternative or shocking entertainment & literature, while they have the capability of being fantastic liars. I have my sun in the 12th house of my natal chart, and we both have venus in the 12th house of our natal charts. Lilith in the Twelfth House of Astrology (Explained) June 3, 2022 by Wisdom Tavern. Any insight you can offer would be greatly appreciated. You need a synastry reading to make sense of all this. )~~~a reader with Sun in Neptune and Saturn and Mars both in 12th house. Overall the chart has a heavy emphasis on the 10-12 houses, and no planets at all in the 5-9 houses, with the exception of Chiron in the 8th house (which sextiles the MC and trines the Moon/Mars as well). Thank You for Your answer and best regards from Hungary! In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. our composite mars-venus conjunction opposes composite uranus, sun, mercury all conjunct from seventh house. I am a Sag with moon (12th house) and rising both in scorpio. Saturn and Uranus both have a lot to say about Aquarius. I feel ok about it but dont want to attach to it. Does that sound like enough glue to counter the 12th house effects? I retire in one year and will be living 20 miles from him. That may mean leaving you behind. I have been so confused and you describe it so accurately. I read your article and its really touching! In traditional astrology, the 12 th house is known as the house of Bad Spirit. We talk with each other and I know he loved me and still does like me , we talk in the church when we can but none of us really telling the real story (which is so 12 house thing). He is a pisces rising with neptune conjunct his midheaven. His Pluto on your Ascendant is an intense experience, but it sounds as though Neptune is the culprit as far as youre concerned. We are fated, but we are meant to part. I have composite sun and moon in house 12 with my brother. Through counseling she has discovered that her pattern of deception and maintaining an emotional distance from me stems from childhood. Thanks Dawn! Indeed, I felt the fear trampling along the edge with fear of insecurity. I would very much like to ask a question about Sun opposition Neptune in a composite especially if it is found as double whammy in synastry.From what I have read from your articles that particular dynamic is extremely difficult to get a grasp of.However I am wondering what kind of effect would Pluto in the 12th trine Sun would have on that aspect in the composite which is also double whammy in synastry.Especially since Pluto is the ruler of the Ascendant and Jupiter,co-ruler of Pisces hits that angle.My question has to do with whether in this case the 1st house plays a heavy role in the chart and balances the chaotic power of Sun-Neptune or whether it is so fused with piscean energy that the plutonian core searching is not enough to get through the neptunian fog.I know that you should see the whole chart and that the question is a bit absurd but I think there is a pattern here and I would really like to know even your smallest bit of opinion on the matter.Thank you in advance. Only his Juipter is in the 12th, I have no planets there but also we both also have ceres and lilith in the 12th. Im not quick to say its an illusion, but its not quite real either, and you can get into some dangerous territory in the 12th by telling yourself things that arent really true. Our physical connection was addicting. Hi! With composite Pluto in their 9th house, danger lies in dogmatism. Interesting description: it seems like weve followed ourselves around the country for each of our lives and not ever taking the time to learn about each other. Maybe someone else on the page will have an answer for you. It isnt every case that the couple with a strong 12th house will break up. Hi HGOf course, these articles cant contain every single exception, and the whole chart has to be taken into consideration. I still feel a strong connection to him, but in a way, I guess I have come to reasonable terms with not being with him. Sorry Shannon, Dawn passed away a couple of years ago. Ultimately, both the 12th house and Neptune want us to get our egos out of the way. You mentioned that couples with 12th house emphasis usually come together for a specific purpose and once that is completed the relationship is destined to end (thats what I gathered anyway). However, what happens when we join together as a couple/entity is reflected in the composite chart. There is, without a doubt, an element of longing in the 12th. . Just a knowing if you will. (I have never done anything like that with anyone else.) The area of the 12th house in which Black Moon Lilith makes a person experience their unconscious fears, pain, shame, and denial relates to their spiritual transcendence, self-undoing, and their ability to dive deeper into the mysteries of life.. That is why this article discusses a potentially enlightening topic. (Not at all helped by the fact that his Venus is square to my Sun at exact degrees.) But exploring worlds during sex, soul bonding, feeling understood at a deep level, feeling at home in the spirit of the world, higher purpose together, channeling together, these are all things ive felt with my boyfriend and our 12th house energies. I loved you from the first moment and that has never changed.) In the 10 years, he (who had been separated from his wife when we first met) went back to his wife, I got engaged to someone else but broke it off realizing I do not love my fiance, reconnected as just friends, and I eventually married someone else, with his blessings. My daughter and I have a 12th house Sun-Moon conjunction (in Cancer) in our composite. 12th house issues are not always supportive. PS.. hes the very first guy I ever met who knew and talked about astrology! I am not an expert but this artical ssure proves the writer of it right! In my opinion the midpoint composite is not really true, because our midpoint chart doesnt show the very intense physical love what we live together. Definitely karmic and unbreakable. I dont want to lose this relationship too so I would like to help me to find out the karmic lesson. WhiteLotus. I had a relationship with someone, in our composite chart, we have a stellium in the 12th house Sun, Juno, Venus and Uranus. I have read your response about 12th house and i really do agree with you. so we find the True in each other. My husband and I, have composite Saturn 27 Pluto 28 Libra in 12th, forming a T square to our Sun 26 Cancer and Venus 19/Mercury 23 Capricorn. The Davison chart is a time/space chart and is anchored in the here and now. We are ignoring what the Source is asking us to do. These individuals are highly empathetic, but they want to protect their privacy, and they are not easy to open up. Felt and feels karmic, but alas, it was definitely not meant to be.for now. And I read from Stephen Arroyo that it is so important to see the traditional rulers of the signs , for example in Aquarius is more important to see Saturn than Uranus. yeah, i think we didnt invest much efforts in getting/staying togetherhowever, when I tried to pursue more, I felt as if I was more needy and I cared more about this relationship, as his respose to my efforts was quite blank and gruff. Beautiful article!! In Hebrew tradition, Lilith was Adam's first wife. Great gifts are possible if that Saturn is respectedthe power of manifesting energy into form. I have always been very attached to her and have had strong needs for physical intimacy which she has resisted. There is a certain someone whose natal Sun is in the 12 th, his sun also receiving a natal square from his Neptune. However, it's recommended to do an individual birthchart analysis before analyzing the Synastry to see the personal needs and potential for maintaining a healthy relationship. One is more transpersonal and numinous, the other deals with our reactions in the day to day world. Thank you for this article. VENUS IN HOUSE TWELVE Venus in the 12th house cultivates a spiritually profound form of love and a desire to experience love on a higher level. Sorry, aja, this is too much information to handle in this space. Natal Sun in Gemini and Venus in Cancer in the 12th, and Venus is conjunct my Cancer ASC. Its hard for me to stop dreaming about this person. Sure someone up there wants to teach me a lesson (again!). Although Im aware this is only an illusion of my mind and nothing else , this illusion is so strong and so frequent that I ve at least learned to live with it and Ive given up struggling against it. You have a strong synastry and a strong 1st house in the composite, and of course that makes a difference. Impossible to comment without seeing both charts. Thanks! This makes so much sense. (One expression does not contra-indicate the other.). I think that your article is quite amazing, but for those of us who are making these relationships work for us I wish you would have given some cases in which it can work. When Venus occupies the 12th house, it highlights a more mature and sophisticated expression of love. I put mars (Cancer) in his 12th. My concern is a grand trine in the composite chart, Mercury/Jupiter/Venus all conjunct in the 1st (pisces) trine Moon/North node conjunct in the 5th (cancer) and Neptune the chart ruler in the 9th (Scopio). The 12th House is also known as the House of mystery while Venus symbolizes intuition and artful . Emotional Suppression. It might hold your answers, if you know how to read it properly. . Lilith in 8 th house composite. Thanks for this very interesting article about that controversial 12th house and I totally agree with your final paragraph. Sometimes learning from the mistakes IS the path. Thanks a lot Dawn, now I understand it. When transit Pluto is in the composite 12th house, you may feel more powerful and connected in the relationship when its just the two of you, behind closed doors, no one to bother. In my natal I have mars and mercury in 12th house Gemini. We have had such a difficult relationship. My sympathies. That 12th house/Neptune influence is devasting if left unchecked. Looking forward to taking more classes with you in the future. Learn how your comment data is processed. Sometimes the twelfth house energies become lost, and we create false gods from what we cannot find within us (for example, those with Leo on the 12th house cusp may worship creative expression, but not be able to find it in themselves). Natal Birth Chart Meaning. We see each other regularly in our spiritual activities, and yet live on opposite coasts, and though dedicated to each other 100% as spiritual allies (and possibly more), we have no intentions of giving up our day-to-day independence. We also have 3 composite planets and an asteroid in house 8. This house is deeply spiritual by nature, as it is a composite of all the other houses. Thank you for your insight. Eventually, some of their views may clash and this can . (Because the moon's orbit is elliptical, it has two center . There is also a Mars in the 12th that doesnt get really any support from anything. If I murdered this illusion, it would be like if I murdered my own soul ; I just cant . What you said about compo Sun/Neptune is very interesting Please I would like to know Dawn,according to you it is important to notice what this compo Sun/Neptune conjuncts in each individual charts, to determine more precisely how each person is going to feed this confusing Sun /Neptune by his/her personal points .? The feelings I have for him, I feel, are something I just have to live with for the rest of my life. It's time for the wave to return to the ocean. Juno is not only about romantic partnerships, but has to do with equality in general. Entering through my dreams, plenty of astral seduction going on out there in the ethers. Obviously, I thought this man was my soulmate. venus all in the 12th house. Since your Part of Fortune is in the 12th house of your birth chart, the sixth house is the opposite house. Its pretty rare. I mentioned Juno because it has a 1 degree conjunction with the Sun. Click on "Chart Type" >>. Im not exactly sure what our future holds, but I do know we are exactly where we are supposed to be XOXO ~ Thank you for the lovely insights!!! It was helpful all of your comments about the rest of composite houses and I say Thank you again for this One, that planets energy can be confused and diffused in their lives, especially when in difficult aspect to other things in the composite. Im not wanting to drag him to the floor yet. Mars is involved too, which would indicate that passion, anger and aggression can be triggered by the darker, more unconscious feelings that emerged when the . thanks Dawn! When transit Jupiter is in the composite 12th house, you may have more opportunities to come together behind the scenes, behind closed doors, when no one is watching, and in a professional relationship, this can be how you make lots of progress together. so we find the True in each other. An ex-lover and I share composite Sun/Mercury in the 12th. Now, what to think of this powerful symbolism in the composite chart? IP: Logged. The 12th house doesnt necessarily mean hidden. Im afraid that you would need a full synastry reading in order to make sense of the situation for you and your wife. Our composite has a sun and north node in the 12 th house. We go down a lot of wrong alleyways. We have a meaningful journey to take together, but we must ultimately be alone. But venus, mars, moon and vertex in the first house in pisces. Couples with a heavy 12th house/ 6th house polarity have to find a way to put their wisdom to some practical use. . Instant connection, followed by a break up 5 days after, followed by getting back together 1 week later, on and off, on and off formally breaking up in 9 months, and yet professing how we never stopped loving each other two years after that (If you want to find someone else, if you want to marry someone else, I will not stop you, but know this. Most of it is illusions I know.. His sun scorpio falls into my fourth house in my natal chart and mine ,cancer, falls into his 8th. I turned to astrology and within months I learnt a lot of things about this topic. I was wondering about my composite contacts with some I know who we share 12th house themes with. I really appreciate your take on the 12th house; it definitely resonates as true, from my experience. I am in a very confused place myself right now, wanting to forgive, still loving her, but not understanding her and whether healing her childhood wounds will bring her attraction back, or if its got something more to do with me and something I need to let go of. A Venus in the 12th House man is a sweet, gentle, kind of person who likes to help both people and animals. Much of the time, putting faith in one another brings you joy. Hello, Skye. Haunting Mars in the 12th can mean unconscious eroticism, aggression, or desire. I feel like I never want tk part from this man. We dont really grasp whats in the 12th until we spiritualize it, remove the ego from the planets function. Me and my friend have composite sun conj. Together we share a Mars 12th. a strong karmic tie is indicated in the 12th house, or in the other water houses 4,8. We also have composite venus in the 12th house. This is an ultimate guide to Lilith in the Twelfth House of astrology! But I do have one question? After I read and then I re-read this was the conclusion that I am more confused than before but more peaceful and more tolerant with my fate. I hope you are well during these strange and powerful times. Lilith in 11th House Composite, Composite Lilith in 11th House With Composite Lilith in the 11th house, you can get along swimmingly as friends, regardless of the type of partnership. We get along very well but our relationship is being kept in secret (which sucks) and the Saturn and Pluto opposite Asc. Composite Venus in the 12th House. I feel so helpless! So much more needs to be considered. No one could share that kind of information with a person that he/she newly know. However it can create a feeling of fate sometimes, since it's also the house of soulmates and psychic connections. Neptune, as the higher octave of Venus, is all about connections, and the 12th house allows us to dissolve the boundaries of ordinary life in order to reach out beyond our mundane reality. . Im always attracted to those types of relationships As far as the four major asteroids are concerned, I find that house position is not as important as aspect. I just met someone who has their moon in 12th house like myself and im wondering if i need to investigate this more closely. And I dont think you can fully understand Pisces without understanding its relation to Jupiter as well as Neptune. But, our composite chart is weird. With a lot of respect for all of your work and wishing you all the best. November 9, 2012 astrologyanonymous27. However, Eros in the 12th may mean a less conscious eroticism drives the relationshipwe think we know what were doing but we may not, and may be subject to desires of all kinds.
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