To get night sights on the Shield, which makes it comparable in features to the Sig, its $44 more than the SIG. At least, on paper the P11 belongs here (5.6 length, 4.3 height, 1.0 width, 17.1 oz, 10+1 flush-fit with a 12-round and 15-round magazine available). My Shield is from 2018. Well its technically its not even that, its just close enough that people not in the know could mistake it. Pro Mags Work In These Guns. Havent held the Ruger but it seems like a best buy for the dough. Firstly, think about what you will be using the gun for. I LOVE the Shield though. Considering that the last few times we've done videos on individual micro compact carry guns we get comments asking for opinions on some of the less well-known options, we decided to speed run 5. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Its a great gun and it was extremely reliable and accurate and easy to carry. It is 6.75 inches long and 4 inches tall. My XDS Mod 2 seems to be the most comfortable for me to carry. Good review. Over 2 ounces of additional weight is a 13% increase. The P365s lower profile sights are smaller and allow me to see more of the target. It has a 10+1 capacity and is only slightly larger than the Hellcat. Dan swapped an Apex trigger into this Hellcat, which improved its trigger in all ways (obviously) but its fair to say that the Hellcat ships from Springfield with an extremely competitive trigger pull quality to begin with. Its about an inch shorter and half an inch narrower. Both are small, lightweight guns that are easy to carry and conceal. I dunno hahaI pull trigger real good no talky fancy, umkay? IMO the Shield Plus has the best serrations and is the best shooter. At 25, to hit the bull, Ive got to line the sights at the very top of the target (top of the paper, not the outside ring) to hit the bullseye. Weighing in at just over a pound, the P938 is easy to carry and conceal. #1 EDC combo in my opinion. Just the Ruger. The Hellcat has a polymer frame with a Melonite-finished stainless steel slide. I would have liked to have rented and shot both before I made my decision but the Sig was not widely available. Bullseye sight took a small adjustment period, but once used to it I find the little pistol very accurate to the 25 yards I would expect from the short barrel. I'm a P365 Fan. Hated the narrow slide to Grip space and the hulky slide lock. My Jewish great grandparents fled Poland and Austria. Or which do you carry? Grip texture on the MAX-9 is the most love handle-friendly. The Glock 17 idea was pretty much stolen from the Heckler and Koch VP70. Capacity was a big reason, but I also prefer the ergos and controls and sights of the P365 and greatly prefer how it looks from behind (never liked the awkwardly tall slide height of the Nano). For an MSRP premium of just $30, youd be silly not to buy the optics-ready Hellcat. For me, the P365 shoots straighter even at 25 yards, I can consistently land fast and consistent shots onto a gong. The P938 is a smaller gun, making it more comfortable to carry. A few years back I was discussing concealed carry with my local gun store. Its fabricated outrage for political gain perpetrated by one group of highly privileged people white knighting on the alleged behalf of some other group. Its like the Pepe the frog controversy. This oversized recoil guide rod prevents the slide from coming out of battery when shoved into a bad guy in some extreme close quarters work. Maybe the shield plus would make a nice substitute for my walther pps, but I love the paddle mag release on a carry gun as it makes accidental magazine ejection nearly impossible. The P938 has a 6+1 capacity, but there are also 7+1 and 8+1 capacity magazine options available. Really the same issues over again. In this case by website listing, except S&W, which I cant find on their website , p365 mags are listed at $49.99 x 10 magazines = $500 '+arguments[1].video:'')+"/?url="+encodeURIComponent(location.href)+"&args="+encodeURIComponent(JSON.stringify([].slice.apply(arguments))),e.parentNode.insertBefore(l,e)}})}(window, document, "script", "Rumble"); Rumble("play", {"video":"vd32fh","div":"rumble_vd32fh"}); In the Rumble-hosted video embedded above (direct link HERE), Dan and I both put a full mag through all four of these guns and provide some thoughts and feedback. Style has a place and this newer gun at least looks more duty grade with no obtrusive committee think or Grip Zone molded into it. An anti-gun person on Instagram said this image is a dogwhistle, but if it is then its a dogwhistle for hateful leftists trying to create false narratives. Okay, onto our thoughts of how each micro-compact concealed carry handgun stacks up compared to the others: SIGs little P365 shook up the concealed carry market when it was released in early 2018. It's been my main cc gun when I'm not at work. Beats giving your adversary a free gun. Haven't had the opportunity to check out a Hellcat. XDE is a little bit heavier and bulkier becasue of the hammer configuration but tolerable. The clip holds six rounds, and you can get another round in the chamber for the traditional 6+1 setup. I've fired several Hellcats, but none have impressed me. The sig is a fantastic little gun that shoots well and stays on target well for follow up, and the day night sights are easy to acquire. The widest part of the palm swell measures 1.06 inches in my calipers (and it does measure out at S&Ws stated 1.1 inches from the slide stop to the other side of the slide). However the Nano, I could have gone on all day. Dan, the people pointing to the photo are likely concerned that the anti-gun mob will have a quick victory, shouting that POTG/TTAG are using the photo as a secret declaration of being neo-nazis. This is where mistakes are made with the 1911 a subcompact .45ACP with short slide and higher cycling speeds using a standard 1911 mag means issues. I have shot the Sig and it is very popular at the range. With a bit more sight radius and the xray3 sights, I can acquire and get rounds on target at 10 yards without issue. It is a great choice for anyone looking for a subcompact 9mm pistol for concealed carry. Two of the most popular choices on the market are the Springfield 911 and the Sig P938. No. This gun is optics-ready and comes with a flat-faced trigger. P365XL Spectre: Special model of the XL with slide cuts, a different grip texture, X-series trigger, and optics-ready capability. 803K views 3 years ago #TFBTV In this episode of TFBTV, James Reeves reviews the new Springfield Hellcat and compares it to the SIG P365. Springfield wisely did away with it for the Hellcat and likely helped increase its reliability. The first trip to the range was the real eye opener. Dan, however, prefers the wider, flatter backstrap feel of the other pistols in our heads-up round-up quadfecta shootout. To me it doesnt feel as good in my hands and as mentioned in the article, the sights just are not as precise as the 365. P365X: Standard length slide with the longer XL grip and optics ready capability. If I were you, I'd first decide which platform you want, SAO or striker. So shes happy and thats really the point. It has more customization options more holsters, and I have far more training on it than the Hellcat. The Sig offers a lighter trigger pull, and thats something I most certainly appreciate. I've heard a LOT about the Sig P365, but I'm just not that impressed. I carry my Micro 9 w/ a 7 round mag in it and have a back up 8 round mag in my left front pocket. Can use up to the 33 round magazine if you really need capacity. Frankly, if I made a pistol like this (and didnt care about lefties) Id design the left side of the grip to be extra comfortable and the back, front, and right side to be extra grippy. No tools needed, just dont lose it. I've not had any problems w/ the gun itself. Shield Plus mags are listed at brownells at 41.99 x 10 mags = $420. I set up a B27E target and first tested the Hellcat. Its frustrating that people look for perceived symbols EVERYWHERE. If youre looking for a small semi-automatic pistol, the P938 is a good option to consider. The Sig will not and the Croatian made Springfield I just would not buy. Sides, front, and back are fairly darn straight and flat across and the edges between all four sides are rounded, yes, but make a sharper transition than on most pistols. Both the Hellcat and Hellcat micro have their own advantages and disadvantages. I specifically mentioned the Daily Beast for a reason. Most of the issues I have had have been from bad ammo rather than the actual gun. Hey guys, I'm in the market for a micro 9mm for possibly pocket carry and am trying to decide what to get. As for the whole thing, its an opinion piece including your photo. Check it out! Today we are stacking the standard P365 against the standard Hellcat. That said, the P365 seems to have more holsters available for it for a variety of different carry styles. My usual EDC is the Hellcat. I picked up a P365 a month or so after release and over time I replaced the trigger with the P365XL newer straight model, bought a P365XL grip and 12 round flush magazines, and I even had the slide milled for my 507K. One supplier even offers a printed jig to perform the minor grip modification. I didn't like the hellcat when I shot it, another poster above me said he loves it. Most versatile when it comes to upgrades or swapping between models. Its the sharpest and most aggressive of these four pistols, though. However, they both have a few features worth mentioning that set them apart. It is small and lightweight, making it easy to carry. The Hellcat, on the other hand, is a larger gun and has a longer trigger pull. Springfield Armory Hellcat Specs and Features Specs Caliber 9mm Luger Action Semi-Auto Safety No Weight 1.15 lbs Barrel Length 3in Overall Length 6in / 7in Trigger Pull about 5.5lbs Finish Black / Flat Dark Earth Magazine Capacity 11+1-Round, 13+1-Round Magazine Included 1 x 11-Round, 1 x 13-Round Magazine Type Removable Front Sight P365SAS: Standard-sized model with every corner and protrusion melted, including the sights. While relatively traditional like those on the P365, the MAX-9 provides more empty space between thinner ridges and its really grippy. While the cost of additional magazines and every other sort of accessory IS definitely relevant and I agree it would have been something worth mentioning in my article, your premise that its a necessary expense that must be factored in is incorrect for the vast majority of consumers, and the suggestion that among the fraction of owners who do buy an extra mag(s) that they buy 10 of them is grossly exaggerated. Shield Plus: $553 (pistol) + $420 (mags) = $973. I am most accurate with it and it has been reliable. This can be a bit of a drawback if youre in a self-defense situation, as it takes an extra step to prepare the gun for firing. Of course, the standard Hellcat is available for $30 less. Front and rear slide serrations are traditional and simple. good after a fluff and buff on the reliability front, and accurate. If you are looking for a concealed carry weapon, the SIG P365 is a great option. Its one of the most open, libertarian-minded groups of people in the country and we welcome everyone who wants to exercise their 2A rights. JavaScript is disabled. Hellcat RDP: RDP stands for Rapid Defense package. Drag/drop and reorder the handguns to compare on top of eachother, New handguns and the best gun and ammo deals straight to your inbox, SAO Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger, Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger. Still, its a half inch shorter and about 0.2 inches skinnier than most of the smaller sub-compacts out there, so I think its fair to say it still clearly belongs right here in the micro-compact category. Its a good shooting gun, too. Possibly a Hellcat to achieve higher capacity, but I have yet to see one. In general, I figure the most expensive thing is probably ammo (especially now), then mags, then the difference in price of the gun. gear. The Hellcat thumb safety is very well-designed. On the frontstrap and backstrap it has more bite than on the sides, which is how it should be. The SIG trigger though doesnt compare to my Walther PPQ. Spent the rest of the gun budget on a shotgun, so now theres a pistol and a long gun in an effective self-defense chambering for everyone in the house. I don't see any reason not to buy both! The OG P365 is good, but the newer models are better. Taurus gets no respect but deserves some. It really depends on what you are looking for in a sub-ohm tank. You noticed that with the Hornady vs. Sig ammo also, huh? Its an easy gun to shoot well. Good luck and keep us informed of your decision. Frankly, its hollow, unused polymer in the heel of the Shield Plus and I think they should have bobtailed the thing hard. Nice review! Now, the 911 as a single-action throws me a bit for pocket carry as I wouldn't want it cocked and locked in that carry mode. The P938 also has a manual safety, which some shooters prefer. I love the great smooth, deliberate DAO on the Nano and Kahr. Don't go through all I did, just get the P365X or XL. With the LC9s you have to align the notch in the slide with the pin to push the pin out. The Hellcat is a fantastic pistol and it more than holds its own when compared head-to-head with the P365. The sights offer the starkest contrast between the two pistols. This makes it easy to grip the slide and work it at a variety of angles. I had been carrying a Smith and Wesson 640 pro, Bodyguard 380, and Diamondback Db9 gen4 before that. And I never want to return to the Light Crisp Triggers. Itd make for the shortest, optically equipped version of the P365. I honestly cant remember any jams or hangups through about a thousand rounds. Somewhere a writer for the Daily Beast is sh*ting its pants in excitement as they frantically calling every single other far-left rag about that arrangement of pistols in the top of the article. I like being able to use a full size magazine as a back up. This includes options from Streamlight, Olight, Crimson Trace, and many more. The P365 ranks second for functional slide serrations. Action: The Springfield 911 has a striker-fired action, while the Sig P938 has a single-action only trigger. Why no mention of the Rugers optics-readiness? The P938 comes in a variety of finishes and calibers. It's my second most accurate gun. I would not want a SAO for concealed but i used to carry a Sig P238 and still pissed i sold it. That said, I wouldnt have gone with it as my first choice. RDB and KSG. Sig makes a laser, Streamlight makes two lightsand thats seemingly it. I've carried mine daily for 3+ years. Does that make up for 2 whole ounces? Copyright 2023 Pew Pew Media, Inc. All rights reserved. Gun control, mild shooting and handling trump a few extra rounds. Travis Pike is a Marine infantry veteran, firearms enthusiast, and NRA certified instructor. You geta solid 12 round grip without mag movement, slightly bigger beavertail, and improved mag insertion area which is both straight, and flared/funneled. If you love to wear action movies and games outfits so must check the top 5 superb Cosplay Jackets which gives you a killer and stunning look on this cosplay festival. When he stood up it was upside down. Contact | My neighbor has the Shield Plus. I find myself carrying the P365 the most. However, I have probably a thousand rounds out of both guns. Flawless operation and for such a small gun the 365 was very accurate. If this were my carry gun Id put sandpaper style grip tape in-between, below, and behind the serrations (probably cutting my own from Talon Grips granulate material). Obviously if this is your practice then its a cost you should factor in. Go on YouTube and type that in. Yall really should swap out that photo with something else. Drag/drop and reorder the handguns to compare on top of eachother, New handguns and the best gun and ammo deals straight to your inbox, SAO Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger, Striker-Fired Subcompact Pistol Chambered in 9mm Luger. Ultimately, I came close. So he shows me his advance release (he is a Sig dealer) of the P365. Yep, the adversary is already likely a crook, and probably got into somebodys ammo cache at his last home hit. I appreciate the windows on each side of the bottom of the grip frame, which allow a jammed magazine to be stripped out more easily. Thats not how this works. Yeah. Capacity certainly is a plus. Jeremy is TTAG's Deputy Editor, working mostly behind the scenes but, when he attempts to write, he focuses on comprehensive gun & gear reviews. The wife and I both have Springfields as our primary carry pieces. Decent capacity and feel, ready out of the box. I have no need for a micro-compact. Again, great article. You do not pay Im Jewish and I approve the perfectly benign lead photo. More or less, the Sig P365 has a decocker or manual safety that makes it secured. Im just old enough to remember the first big political correctness push in the late 80s/early 90s, and I really wish we had all had the good sense to give these people the middle finger and run them out on a rail but instead, we scoffed in private and humored them in public because we had been raised to be polite. Ruger wins the slide serration contest. I dont think you go wrong with any of these gats. Both are textured and plenty easy to use. While it looks fairly square and blocky and it is compared to the P365 or Shield Plus the slimmer width and more rounded edges feel more comfortable and less blocky than the Hellcat. I've run a few mags through a rental hellcat it shot better then I expected, not a lot of snap. I also have the P11 keltec and it should not be even mentioned with the others. Its like Taurus revolvers, the myth WAS they were junk and constantly went out of time. Obviously, the Hellcat has caught my eye. Gay, straight, Asian, black, transgender, Jewishnobody in this community cares what you are. If you ride the reset its a little shorter than the initial pull, but I did find the reset to be a bit on the light side in terms of its sound and feel. I sold my 365, 365XL, and Shield when I changed over to a Wilson Combat X9S as my primary carry gun a year ago. stunning article, also read this article https://techlazza.com/antivirus-apps-for-ios. Springfield Hellcat vs Sig P365 (with pictures) | Clinger Holsters. This week the same retailer had the Shield Plus for $356 so now I own both. If I had 100 people test them, 99 would give this answer and the one who didnt would be you, having never even touched the Ruger. You didnt test the best configuration in that class, which is a Sig P365Lwhich is the normal P365 with a simple grip module swap from the 12 XL round size. The longer slide makes little difference for CC and the WC grip module, with a 12 rd flush mag, is much superior, in my experience, to the standard P365 of P365x grip module. I own about 15 now, but you can never have enough. There are 3 Hellcat models now, and the latest, the Pro OSP, includes Tritium night sights, (2) 15-round magazines, an improved trigger, is optics ready, has a slightly longer (3.7" hammer-forged) barrel to solve the problem of not enough space on the underside of the slide to more easily accommodate a light, and was awarded a "gold level endorsement", the highest possible recommendation from members of the National Tactical Officers Association (NTOA). For my Max 9 I just snap the pin catch lever down, hold the slide at the point where the pin comes out with the pin exit facing down, and gently tap it on the cleaning mat, and it falls right out. Ps I see a lot of cheap Luminox watches for sale, and the one thing most sellers do not include is a pic of the lume in the dark. The stereotype of Taurus semi-autos being junk is just that, a stereotype. The KelTec has a very crappy trigger among other things. Could be they got an outlier. Night sights are an option, of course, but they raise the MSRP to $623 ($44 higher than the closest competitor) while the SIG, Springfield, and Ruger all sport tritium as standard. Springfields Hellcat uses a flat-faced trigger. Both companies offer a 15-round option for their guns which gives you Glock 19 firepower. Heads-Up Comparison: P365 vs. Hellcat vs. MAX-9 vs. M&P9 Shield Plus, Police Are Losing Credibility in the Gun World, Two of Smith & Wessons 90s Stainless Metallic Fantastics, Gun Review: Springfield Armory Ronin EMP 3 9mm 1911, Gun Review: Henry U.S. Max-9: $499 (pistol) + $320 (mags) = $819 That said, the manual safety on the Ruger MAX-9 is just right. Some at the end like the 365 would actually Hurt my hand and I could really feel it. Ill stick with my Sig. I wanted to try a Hellcat to maybe replace my Shield but with the Shield Plus out now I'm thinking I'll stay with that platform. OVERALL LENGTH: 6.0 in. The most important factor to consider when choosing a concealed carry gun is its size. Its still small, of course, so itll fit basically anyones hand (or at least shouldnt be too large for anyone), but I just find it weird. This P365 and a P365XL are the only Sigs I own or have ever owned, actually. They cheaped out big-time on the sights. So, if you are looking for a gun with more features, the Hellcat may be worth the extra cost. I have the original p365 with the 15 rd. The large magazine release is easy to use, but not so tall that it risks accidental activation. Your email address will not be published. Its probably no surprise that when we tried all four of these new little guys at the LGS a few weeks ago handling, but not shooting we both preferred the Hellcat for how it felt in the hand and its general ergonomics. He currently teaches concealed carry courses and enjoys spending time in Floridas Nature Coast.
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