The identity of the person who took the images remains a mystery. Perhaps a piece of a tarp or a wrapper? I dont appreciate the internet trolls who dump havoc on peoples insights. Two days pass. Tourism in Panama represents one of Panama's main activities. Photo link: Yes the dog was owned by Giovanni and Doris, the owners of Il Pianista Restaurant. From the story of Holger, it seems unlikely to imagine that the medical examiner overlooked the very serious condition of the cyclists remains. After this, can ANYONE IN THIS WORLD still doubt that this girl WOULD NOT HAVE WRITTEN OR PHONED HER MOTHER FOR TWO WEEKS when she also called the police 100 times? Much information is second hand. Poverty, culture and crime in Latin America are different than poor nations in Asia and Africa. How close was this tribe to where they went missing? I agree w rope around waste thst wasnt there before, hair is completely down Aldo, shes in distree. Foul play is very likely. If you would know (and read) every bits & pieces of this story, you would actually see that the they got lost theory does not hold up with any of the facts and evidence found, not at all, not one bit. Or perhaps its an offshoot from the trail along a natural gully that leads to a dead-end? Do we know who owned the dog named Blue (aka Azul). The place itself might reveal some clues as to what sort of person or people would construct it and what are the chances of them doing something bad. Im always reviewing their case and looking for answers. she does see something disgusting. To this day, the disappearance and tragic deaths of Kris and Lisanne remains a harrowing mystery. These are more unanswered questions that we may never know. Or is it all part of a cover-up? Maybe its just pareidolia, but i think its a manmade object. Incredible work and interest- level regarding the fate of these human spirits. The point-and-shoot camera numbers its files in ascending order, the way most digital cameras do. Many of the leads were simply not followed fingerprints, interviewing key suspects, identifying the precise location where evidence was discovered, etc. Right now Im simply building a list of names to determine interest: https://imperfectplan.com/2020/07/14/organizing-a-research-team/. A group of tourists have gone missing in an infamous Russian mountain pass where nine people died under mysterious circumstances more than 60 years ago. I do get very creepy and bad vibes from this photo though. "This is a nightmare with 1,001 demons," says 40-year-old Oscar, who is from Colombia but was living in Bolivia. Also, I live in El Salvador, less than 1,000 kilometers from Panama, which has many cultural similarities. He goes down some intriguing avenues which while I may not agree with either the direction or point have value because they stimulate me to think. But shes too far out now. She cant be shielding her eyes from the sun, as no shadow is falling over her eyes. But what if that is what led them off track ? Theres so much conflicting information regardless of which theory is chosen. No replies are deleted except in rare cases of spam, inappropriate language/links, or disrespect to another contributor. What I find unusual is that in a panic they did not repeatedly try unless she kept pressing redial and that does not register as a second attempt. Theyve been promised much if they deliver Feliciano hard evidence of the girls death. Nobody knows what happened to Kris and Lisanne and everything is open to speculation until more information is found. He went into the girls room without police, he was involved with finding of the backpack, and also the bones. In Latin America, gangs, cartels and human traffickers work very effectively in unison to carry out organized crime. Certainly, each country around the world offers valuable experiences in their own way. Unfortunately, this camera setting is not public knowledge, but the default mode is Continuous.. At 2:50 they start walking up to what I believe is the location in this photograph, Not a cave but an old bridge you can see the railing and bridge post and there is a weird shadow to the left behind the railing. However there appear to be yellowish/beige shadows and it looks like a sandstone cliff. 1. You need to be a Photoshop wizard of substantial level to even attempt this and it would take absolute ages. The timeline could have been enhanced with this info. You can see a kind of nose and lips. Again, I stress that these kind of murder cases are frequently shut down by the media of the country at the direction of the government. In fact, Im almost certain of it. Another thing that crossed my mind is what if the backpack & items had been kept as like a trophy of the killings, & a local knew thats what it was aware of the incident & grabbed it & left it somewhere to be found to try & help shed light on the case the best way they could. Stories which hes found in archives going back as early as 1500s until modern day all Facts and all true. No way would I walk down that path. I believe that by the time this photo was taken, the situation has gone sideways. I could be wrong, but until I see some compelling evidence to the contrary, Im sticking with Juans theory. I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT THE PIT PICTURE FOR YEARS, YOU CLEARLY SEE A GATELIKE STRUCTURE OVER THE PIT. Is there somebody behind the insignia? Its up to the public now the government closed the case 6 years ago. They are free now. I dont know what Chris means by this, but at first I thought it was a wooden post sticking up from the ground and painted white at the top. How come there are so many disappearances in S. America I believe that the case was handled so poorly that it leads one to believe that it was intentionally handled as such. The next morning, on April 2nd, a substantial earthquake of magnitude 6.0 hits Panama at 11:13 AM. This may explain why the taxi driver and the two young men died so soon after this incident. Also and I am assuming the phones where in their possession the phones actually did acquire a signal some times but clearly they were not being used so they did not know. Not to mention her hair was down in the photos at the beginning of the hike and now they appear to be in at least two pony tails where devil horns would be. But even when a phone is locked after thee attempts the screen says emergency calls only. The camera and photos were tampered with with photos removed and other photos cropped and reduced in size. Why go to another country to hike when America and other safer countrys have plenty of hiking places ? In which photos? Yes, exactly. To begin with his suggests either they walked into dense dark forest so there was no foto ops or it stopped being fun and started to become serious so somewhere not far beyond that stream did they met a fateful fork in the path which took them towards oblivion. Any idea of the exact location where this picture is taken? While I do believe eventually, and possibly soon after this, there was foul play, I dont think anything untoward was happening as of this photo. Im sure that when they left on that short hike that their intention was to be back home before dark and to be back to the host home for supper on time. By April 6, 2014, theparents of both women grew frantic andflew to Panama with detectives from the Netherlands. I have seen comment to suggest that they could have made the trip to the divide returned and then gone to another place but then why no more fotos on either phone or camera? The picture people think she is looking down she is hanging with hands tied behind her back. Hence the bras and everything safely stacked in the backpack together both girls sunglasses and both girls phones (otherwise each girl would be carrying her own phone). Youtube channel backpackercoach or backpackingcoach i think, has a video called is it a cave? where he shows a section of trail that looks much like that. Reading this reminded me of another photo the girls took of a branch with what appears to be red plastic attached to it. The sign actually looks like a door with light shining thru.thats crazy. More than 100 pictureswere on the camera; the first few looked like normal tourist photos with the womensmiling together. Is this in dispute? Hope this was not a member of one of those mad religious sects that, over the years, have been torturing and killing people in Panama. Is it a reasonable number? The sun is shining right into her eyes so shes squinting and bending down a bit to see her friend, who was probably talking to her while snapping the photo. On the bottom right of the photo it looks as though her hair is wrapped around somebodys fingers, or rather someone has their fingers wrapped around her hair. A tragedy and a mystery but in its core, this is only a horrible accident. You have a good eye! When she finally reached her friend, it was basically too late, or very close to it. Lisanne sets up a SOS with toilet paper and a mirror, hoping to get the attention of the helicopters. Adrien McNaughton Was Surrounded by Family, He Left Behind Books He Wrote in Secret Code, The Door Was Open, and Baby Lisa Was Gone. Caruso, 56, died on June 17 after staying at the Boca Chica Resort in Santo Domingo. I too believe this is most likely what happened. After frolicking in the sun and taking photos for a while they decided it was time to return home, BUT they had no idea where they entered the jungle so they could not find the way out of the jungle back go to the trail. It looks straight and like it may go over the eye and above it. There have been several mass graves uncovered there in the last year alone. Sure, anyone can do these things with a computer and specialized knowledge but with this level of competence? This link answers some of those questions: Kris Kremers Case: The People Involved (Reference Guide). If the dog was with them, we cannot know for how long, nor why the dog left the girls. Apparently the dog had no comment. Of course, there are always exceptions. Its too cold to sleep at night, so they try to keep moving, until, in the darkness Kris falls down a ravine, hitting her head, and going into a coma. One of them probably fell got hurt, a local found them said they would help and well they didnt help they killed them and dumped in River knowing the river would remove any evidence. Like you would get from being hit. Highly probable. if both then was the other found in their room? The people in Panama may be afraid to speak, but in Europe, the USA and other Central American countries there are pods of people still working on the case. He threatened them with a machete, and led them to a sacrificial alter. The blue thing on the ground looks like a blue tarp and that looks like a corner sticking out. All of it couldve just gone away.? I find it odd that the young American girl was murdered not long after this not far away as with the taxi driver who was found depended likely murdered. A wave of deadly exorcisms have griped the country, under the guise of religion, at the hand of a death cult. Are any of you familiar with the missing 411 phenomena? The following insight will make not make much sense to you if you dont know their story. However, calling emergency services doesnt require unlocking the phone, meaning a third party had to be involved. There are vast cultural differences to account for, especially between men and women. A search eventually turned up a severed foot and scattered remains, but authorities had trouble determininghow the hikershad died. Or if someone deleted them? The dogs just do what they want to do. Not everything is a complex conspiracy, people. Like local tribesmen. I see orange spray paint markings on the base of the tree further in the cave to Kriss right. Being disoriented, and losing a companion, hunger, asthma. The 2020 cristian massacre was committed by a couple of men who were definitively altered in their state and heard voices etc. I was clearly kept elsewhere and planted later. Maybe you can find more answers about this horrible story. Basically akin to that in the movie the predator. Its sad because Panama is a beautiful country with a lot of wonderful people. Im very impressed. A desperate search for the students was launched, with rescue workers combing through the jungle and nearby villages. Heres what I think happened. So, their work was good but not perfect. Panamas government is stuck in a desperate position. Around 2 oclock. More info here. Im curious about your experience living abroad. They keep trying to call emergency. I dont see what the writer sees at all. So many questions and there is no clear starting place like a police report to read. Draw a line from that point in all directions as far as they could travel in the time to the emergency call, and there must be part of the answer to the mystery inside that circle. Ive found that there are in fact two native type people visible in the night photos. I cant explain the calls or photos or intact skin that was found. Think. Debra Ann Velleman, of Waukesha, Wis., and Sue L. Borries, of Teutopolis, Ill., are missing after their plane crashed off the coast of Panama on Jan. 3, 2022. Is it possible that there is a building or some sort of structure behind the vegetation? Kris and Lisanne's families decided to fly out to Panama and bring Dutch detectives with them. Her whole body is facing towards the right in the picture, almost in profile to the camera, with even her right leg in front of her left leg (a dancer would tell you that her whole body would much more naturally turn to the left, away from the camera) and then only her face turning right, towards the camera, the upper part of her body following slightly. 90% take place right here in the US in state parks. I wonder if the two red objects are flowers? Why no video diary? ): https://ibb.co/nqy80hS Most disappearance cases dont get such publicity, so you can imagine how much less effort goes into them. I just find it strange that no video diary or fotos of each other made after 508. So, when locals look at you sideways as they glance, glare, or even stare at your shorts and sandals, do not be offended or surprised. I was looking at the photographs again and something caught my eye. The Lost Girls of Panama: The Full Story. again, this has been superimposed on the scene and again her feet are obscured because she is not wearing boots. . This is a fake and the pixellation errors can be seen up close (the gap in the crook of her right arm is IN FRONT OF her). The abductor is a deeply religious man, in his own demented way, and he sees this as a sign from God. Why no more fotos were taken after 508 on the 1st until the nighttime session on the 7/8th? Its difficult to see when glancing at the photo, because it looks like Kriss head is referencing something the ground. But then Im immediately confronted with conflicting evidence to suggest otherwise. Its very interesting that the dog is not clearly visible in any of the pictures. Take care. Apparently this villager travelled abroad, adopted extremist Christian views, returned home and started a cult in his own village which resulted in human sacrifices of other locals. Hi Chris, i heard of this case a few months ago and i read many articles about it. I wish there were more answers to what happened. What I DO see is a very definite path. https://postimg.cc/94q0cVhH. Thats the very first thing that crossed my mind. But she is definitely on a well-worn path. Their families went to the police to. The group of 13 youngsters - nine from Coln province and four who were visiting from Panama City - left on Friday morning to go swimming in Gatn Lake. A piece of evidence that is irrefutable. Who knows if the girls really went for a walk that day by themselves? Their families believed the women were still in the unrecovered plane wreckage, and as the search stretched on for days and then weeks, they pleaded with the U.S. government for help they said never came. Their backpack contents and electronics were stolen to be sold later but handed back to stop the search and not be incriminated. There appears to be a blue pieces of trash on the ground. Tourism generates profits of approximately US$1,400 million annually. Seems strange. At least the trash element and roof structure looks like very strong evidence. The last set of pics is especially chilling to me, my first thought was Lisanne may have been bound & hurt & somehow able to gain access to the camera & made a last attempt to signal for help or document everything around her as best she could & thats why all the angles are so awkward & unfocused. The dog found his way home. Nobody is safe. They may not have even know what they were doing, taking pictures, if they werent familiar with technology, and tossed the phone again at some point for the girls to grab to attempt the emergency calls and taken it back at some point after. This is an interesting analysis, of this photos and the case in general. The biggest danger for travelers in Central America is crime. To touch on the disappearance case of Kris Kremers and Lisanne Froon, we can vividly see the incompetence that took place, even under the spotlight of international pressure. And why? But I see him in none of L&Ks photos. I think the night photos were taken by individuals who found the device and were not familiar with the camera, perhaps never seeing a camera before. They place the evidence where it can be found, brining the matter to a close. It is high noon and they have no way of telling which direction to go. Hey Im not sure if someone already pointed it out but does everyone see the orange drawing on the bottom right? Before you even pointed out the manmade ceiling structure I noticed that. The final photo may have been eliminated after thought by the still remaining friend, as it may have been too traumatic for her. The local jungle tribes people have been looking for the girls. As a side note, if all of the photos are in the order in which they were taken, why do they put their hair up, and take it down so much? I think the left arm is visible behind her hanging down. So without doubt, someone tampered with the photos to some degree. As the effort wore on, they enlisted the help of the Wisconsin-based volunteer search and recovery organization Bruce's Legacy and set up a GoFundMe to help defray the costs of bringing the nonprofit to Panama. I think we are all seeing things that arent there. Was the dog fed and watered by a family as opposed to being one of the many feral dogs in Latin America? Also, sometimes the investigations go dead because the government wants the story to go away in order for the tourist trade to not be hurt. I dont know if youve noticed this or not. I do think it looks like red flowers growing through the structure, and whilst I agree that it does look like there is some sort of symbol on the tree, after studying her pose from the photo above, I dont think she would be acting / posing like that if there was a creepy ass symbol scrawled into the tree! I often keep reading things online hoping that they solved the case, but unfortunately it doesnt look like they really have. It seems too strange to be an accident. However being one of the last photos taken this location would be incredibly important to have investigated back in 2014 (or even still). Have you managed to obtain a copy? As well as lots of other things It shows her right arm more clearly and it looks as though there is something square where you would expect her right elbow to be strange. One indication is that I cannot see the shoulder strap of her top that is obscured by her white/fair forearm. Thats perplexing to me. Hands tied behind her back, face looks a bit puffy too, as if been in an altercation of sorts. Call us in Washington, D.C. at 1-888-407-4747 (toll-free in the United States and Canada) or 1-202-501-4444 (from all other countries) from 8:00 a.m. to 8:00 p.m., Eastern Standard Time, Monday through Friday (except U.S. federal holidays). Alex Humphrey disappeared . Search shoe with foot in it found. You will notice another branch of dead leaf just below it. The Panamanian government had requested that the U.S. deploy assets including Navy salvage divers and sonar to aid in the search effort and locate the wreckage in the days after the crash, but the request was denied due to a lack of assets and jurisdiction, according to a statement from the Velleman and Borries families. They lose their money and leave Panama with their lives. Did they become lostand fall down a cliff? For other inquiries, Contact Us. However having just seen a darkened and reddened photo (the one of the back of Kriss strawberry blonde hair) you can see, in the top left, a door frame at the bottom of which is a dark floor. On March 14, 2014, students LisanneFroon and Kris Kremers traveled from the Netherlands to Panama, where they intended toassistlocal communities, volunteerwith children, learnSpanish, and relax a bit. When I look at the picture I think I can see both her arms. May the case stay alive and well. Clearly the trash on the rocks indicates it had active people. Poor investigations and low standards are very common in these under-developed countries. Hi Tom, I believe you intended to comment above, on @SwordOfGods comment. A closer look at mysterious disappearances that continue to baffle detectives. There is no database of how many people go missing in national parks every year but the National Parks Service has at least 29 cold cases of people who have gone missing and have yet to be found, with the oldest case dating back to 1958.. Hi Jason, thanks for you comment. Out of all the photos that have been released this photo disturbs me the most. Im very curious what your experience is living in Latin America, because generalizations like your statement are certainly inconsistent with many disappearance stories and law enforcement activity here. Im happy my work could shed some light on the possible items in the picture. If so, it would indicate that she had been kept alive for a few weeks or more. It looks like an indigenous person with shiny black hair walking away from Kris. His . Something I hadnt noticed before until I could see the photos upclose, (the one where she is hunched over) is that her face looks distorted; it doesnt look like her almost as if its some kind of mask. Well be mapping the trails with a GPS device, searching for the location of the night photos and capturing aerial footage of the rivers in the region. Theres a lot more information needed to make conclusions. They were lost very shortly after arriving at their destination, And then they made a huge mistake by heading due north to find their way back home and they should have been going to the southeast. Maybe one girl regained consciousness at night and took the pictures. Use soft language and leave out gory visuals in what you write. Both were never seen again, The Sun reports. Thanks, John. Its interesting to hear that you are considering putting together a research team to visit Panama and further investigate the details of the case interviews, videos, mapping terrain, etc. Everyone is already aware that there are many unfortunate possibilities of what could have happened to Kris and Lisanne. I dont think so. Its incredibly sad. It seems to be made up of white paint, at least like a tribal looking face of white paint. So they hide a lot of the gang activity and downplay what happens, which exacerbates the problem. And they wont leave until they know all hope is lost. Shes clearly holding a bottle of water in her left hand in front of her.
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