bullet stuck in chamber backwards. . York Gun and Knife Show Dates This is the sequence that happens as you fire your gun. (1% rather than 10%). I'm able to move the silde about 10mm and that's it. I have no reason to feel that a wadcutter is unsafe! Is the extractor holdin onto the case and preventing movement/separation of the slide and barrel. Bullet Lodged in Barrel Backwards Thread starterdefygravity Start dateFeb 8, 2013 The #1 community for Gun Owners of the Northeast Member Benefits: No ad networks! A squib can be a danger to you and your firearm. Since the rifle was designed for use on Alaskas great bears, Johnson cut 720-grain (47 g) boat-tail .50 BMG bullets in half, seating the 450-grain (29 g) rear half upside down in the fireformed .50-caliber case. This in turn drastically reduced the smoke and residue created. It is stuck in the barrel tight enough so that when you pound / pull / mortar the case out, what you are doing is pulling the bullet out of the case. A World Record Attempt and everyone is out at the range shooting and practicing. I did have issues with WWB (and some other) ammo feeding in my new P238 until I had run several hundred rounds. This is also a good lesson for guys that run their 9mm guns and 380 guns at the range. I wouldn't push anything against the primer though. Causes a full lock up and the slide gets jammed back with no wiggle room at all. How the heck do I get it out?!? Oct 15, 2020 #8 I have seen more damage done to barrels from attempts to clear the obstruction than caused by the stuck bullet itself. Sorta sounds like a squib but not that either. Since no one uses handguns for long range shots, the inherent short range of full wadcutters (or backward bullets) are no drawback whatsoever and that is why they are very useful for handguns. Did the second round go through easier not doing as much damage because the block was weakened? On the very off chance that the round detonates, you'll have a loud pop, some smoke, and a ruptured 9mm case, I don't think you'll be in much danger. An abrupt rear surface also causes turbulence. This indicated the front, or muzzle, end of the obstruction. It's not a squib. I like the suggestion to remove the firing pin IF you can do it safely considering you have a round in the chamber. If there is a malfunction you should, with proper care and consider. Be careful. Fortunately, there's a simple and easy way to remove a stuck bullet when it happens. When the slide failed to completely close she attempted to rack the slide (tap rack and bang) and wedged it in further. The problems arise when improper technique is used to remove the bullet. A 2LT loaded the magazine with the round in backwards and released the slide jamming the round in the mouth of the barrel's chamber. Had to pound on the bolt handle with a hammer and block of wood to get the bolt open. If you shoot enough, and especially if you shoot handloads, odds are pretty darn good that you or someone you are shooting with will experience a stuck bullet. I say put it back on the frame, put on your big boy pants, grip the hell out of the slide with one hand while you slam the rear of the grip with your other palm. After having seen several other videos on this Youtubers channel I would say that the thinking behind this video is to test a hypothetical. Maybe the same? I was explaining the appeal of backwards facing bullets in terms of their terminal ballistics. He thought he might have stuck a bullet in the barrel, so he went back home and tried unsuccessfully to remove the bullet. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Somehow the extractor hopped over. Uncategorized. Random Thoughts About Police Militarization, It Should Have Been a Defensive Gun Use: London Beheading Edition, Liberty Ammunitions Innovative Personal Defense Rounds are Lighter, Go Faster, and Hit Harder. Beware of "precision,". With handguns used with moderate to light powder charges, stuck bullets are not uncommon. You know it really is true. 24. The wrench/hammer is for when your spring rod gets set off-center. I would just be very conserned about compressing my charge. The old jointed aluminum cleaning rods you used to see so often are to be avoided. This works well, if not gently with the barrel pointed in a safe direction. Does anyone know anyway that I could try to get the slide free? I've tried that one already but with a cleaning rod. JavaScript is disabled. It invariably mushrooms perfectly, and never breaks up. No matter what type of rod you use, make sure it is solid. - Quick Tips mannyCA 52.4K subscribers 58K views 4 years ago We demonstrate our version of removing a stuck bullet from your bore. Aug 29, 2020. You must log in or register to reply here. We recovered some pretty chewed up brass and noticed the target was fairly tight with only one flier that had keyholed. Here is the link to his solution. 8. It's a live round and it's stuck in a way that I can't even rack the slide. I would use a metal rod with a flat end that is just as large as will fit through the barrel. The bullet is being pushed into the barrel hard enough to get stuck in the throat or beginning of the rifling. yes, if you turn the bullet around so that the pointed end is in the case, the internal ballistic pressure does cause a pressure gradient greater where the case is crimped. These are rimfires so avoid playing around w/ the rim (ie prying at it w/ a screwdriver). I will need to ream the chamber to allow flat nose bullets to be . You know everyone watched till the end just to see him blow shit up so everyone was warned. I generally find that it's best not to apply force to the front end of a stuck bullet in a rifle especially if it's a bullet that is designed to easily expand or mushroom because what happens is that the rod expands the bullet and wedges it tighter in the bore. For that reason, I always kept an 8-inch length of brass rod in my shooting kit. Can I use all of your guns for future backwards bullet testing? atlantic beach zoning map; torvill and dean routines list; sync only some activity types from garmin to strava I had heard about the British using this tactic in WWI. To put all this in perspective, if I knew there was an extremely high probably that a grizzly was going to attack me, I would want a rifle in .45-70 Government and I would shoot a hardcast lead bullet with a large flat meplat. Fortunately, the bore appeared to be unharmed. It is first time I see ammo stuck in chamber backward.. Feb 8, 2013 #15 Bootknife Active Member. Good point. During WWI, this tactic was used by British snipers with their .303 caliber in response to German snipers using a steel plate to protect them while they stuck out their head to shoot. Danger or not, knowledge is power. Before I could stop him he let the slide go forward. Then tap the round out the chamber. I did however buy a cleaning kit, and was planning on cleaning the rifle after 250 shots or so (as per the manuel). It won't travel "downward" enough to disengage from the lip on the slide. I dont believe it. It could be "Failure to Extract" or "Failure to Eject". Better than using plain old FMJ. He had tried to remove the bullet with a cleaning rod but had been unsuccessful so he asked me to take at look at it. I also read about someone loading backwards rifle round to produce subsonic loads. Just reach into the open chamber (finger tip is fine), push the bullet down, and slide it back into the mag as you would if you were loading it normally. Originally posted by humansteak: The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. I was then able to work the round out of the barrel with a screwdriver. Immediate Action: " Tap, Rack, and Reassess ". The ball/bullet MUST be pushed back against whatever powder charge you get in the chamber! Although I was doing it where if it did go off, noone would get hurt, the fact is I still don't want a bullet flying through my house. DO NOT USE ANY OBJECTS TO HIT ROD HANDLE AS DAMAGE TO ROD AND FIREARM . Open the bolt lock it back, Take a cleaning rod and lower it down the barrel gently onto the bullet, then with the rifle carefully propped up tap the rod gently with a stick or similar to push the bullet backwards and out, don't tap hard as you can expand the lead and lock it in place. A man who lives fully is prepared to die at any time." A stuck bullet is generally caused by defective ammo. Worth a watch. Unfortunately, a lot of the damage is caused by well-meaning folks who simply utilize the wrong tools in trying to correct the problem. Why do you have a problem with this video? I would not let him shoot at my house or with me anymore. The article was not about wadcutters, it was about loading bullets backwards. 9x18 is slightly wider diam. I don't think there's a term for it Well I guess I did not use the correct term. I can see those issues, too. I wouldn't snap the bolt shut, in case the firing pin ever hit the rim. But if you elongate the football it has a higher sectional density and the ballistic coefficient goes up. Again if it's the bullet you'd have felt the lands touch the bullet. It may not display this or other websites correctly. From what I was told, there were no injuries, but there were several very surprised and shaken folks in that shop. Which are safer. Maybe a bulged case wedged into the chamber? This happens occasionally at the range I work at - mostly with hand loads. Robert Farago is the former publisher of The Truth About Guns (TTAG). Joseph Von Benedikt visits with Aaron Oelger from Hodgdon about the unprecedented demand on the shooting supply industry. Credit Solution Experts Incorporated offers quality business credit building services, which includes an easy step-by-step system designed for helping clients build their business credit effortlessly. Research hardcast lead bullets with large flat meplats and you will understand. Thats what you had to work with 50 or 75 years ago. (Ret.) Turn down the volume, obnoxious music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_N71iYZHd8. Even if you think I am reading to far into the videos intent, take it on face value. Now you probably already know this. I want to fire my weapon to clear it out so I can dig further but iffy cause i dont want to cause damage to the gun or myself. Before there were scopes or red dots there were iron sights. Because of this I secured the rifle in a padded vise and inserted my carbon rod in from the muzzle until it was firmly held against the front end of the bullet. Fortunately, I caught him and corrected the problem before he had a chance to hurt himself. If you are that worried about setting it off, take a wooden dowel rod and drill the center of one end so you have no chance of even touching the primer. meaning, take a hack-saw and cut off the pointy part so the bullet would have a flat front with partially exposed lead. You are using an out of date browser. Insert the rod into the barrel; it might be helpful to lube the outside of the tape bushing with a bit of grease. By accepting all cookies, you agree to our use of cookies to deliver and maintain our services and site, improve the quality of Reddit, personalize Reddit content and advertising, and measure the effectiveness of advertising. Good luck. During a previous attempt to remove the bullet, a smaller diameter cleaning rod had been driven down inside the bullet, expanding the bullet and making it more difficult to remove. If the case does not at least begin to come out, repeat the penetrating-oil dose, wait a day or two, and try again. What would be the point of this even if it was safe. The ideal bullet shape, from an aerodynamics perspective, is something like a football. Bullet Lodged in Barrel Backwards Thread starter defygravity; Start date Feb 8, 2013; . with a rod the size of the primer and a lot of force. A way to make hunting ammo from military rounds. A squib is a round that does not have enough powder charge to send the bullet down the chamber and out the barrel. Drag is bad in the air but good when the bullet strikes its target. . Seen it first hand in an M9 about a month ago. It goes to considerable lengths to test the theory that backwards bullets are more lethal than frontward facing pills. Those super velocity rounds are kind of bogus, one type "stingers" use a case that is longer than a standard case with a bullet that's not quite as long, to get more power and speed. Had a little round tip on it so I didn't have to worry about scratches. The bolt moves backwards when it is rotated open and the case should have been pulled back out of the chamber the first few degrees of bolt turn. Lighter and tougher and more precise than ever, it's the perfect back country hunting rifle. Made a hell of a mess, and was incredibly unsafe. The round is in the chamber but the slide won't move forward or backward. An abrupt front surface (full wadcutter or backwards bullet) causes turbulence. I am a careful handloader! A forum community dedicated to Glock firearm owners and enthusiasts. Retract rod 5 inch or so. If the firing pin is slightly exposed or the primer is sitting high (and since the slide is locked up you can't tell) you could discharge the round and cause a great deal of damage to the firearm, nearby property, yourself and others. I have never had this happen to me even though for many years I carried my BDL REM 22-250 in the field . By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. In the end there is probably very little change to the second bullets performance from the damage done by the first, except in those cases where both bullets end up falling in the same path. My friend had tried unsuccessfully to drive the bullet out with a cleaning rod from the muzzle. It is wonderfully strong, yet there is virtually no possibility of damage to the bore. Anyone have anything similar happen/other suggestions? However, if you do cut off the tip and drill it into make it a hollow point more of the pressure will be trapped inside the hollow cavity thereby making slightly more safer because you have trapped the gasses in the hollow cavity. Only when we get to 5:25 does Mr. Ammo Channel point out that its a really, really stupid idea; split casings and all. And if you want such a bullet to maintain velocity at longer ranges, either shoot a really heavy bullet with the highest possible muzzle velocity or shoot such bullets with a pointed soft rubber tip. My carbon rod, on the other hand, was large enough in diameter to avoid entering the bullet and instead pressed against the sides of the jacket. The rod is then removed, laid along the barrel with the locating mark even with the muzzle, and a mark is made on the outside of the barrel at the end of the rod. Just remove the slide stop and slide the whole top end off of the frame. You are using an out of date browser. He required a new barrel. bullet stuck in chamber backwards bullet stuck in chamber backwards. Why? Thanks for the tip! The blank charge probably became dislodged and is smashed inside the gun or fell out without you noticing it. Make sure to watch till the end. When I was involved in cowboy action shooting I would generally see at least one stuck bullet at any match I attended. There would be marks on the ogive for every land and easy to see. if so, try pushing down on the top of the round. "It is better to die on your feet than live on your knees.". Suggested fix is weak hand on the slide and palm-strike the back of the lower/grip, hard, to try and eject the round. Incredibly, after all of that there was little or no damage to the bore. I guess. I was zeroing a .223 stevens this evening, Ultramaz remanufactured ammo, 55HP, and a case blew! At the minimum spent brass needs to be neck sized to enable re-chambering, the cartridge case has expanded after firing so closes down the chamber tolerances that is why it feels hard to close the bolt and if the chamber is dirty you are only going to jam the case in there. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. HK. Insert bullet only into chamber and hold it lightly against the rifling with a pencil. At least with the bolt action he used he could ensure the action stayed closed. So much so that the weapon was taken to a gunsmith to remove the stuck round. No way could this happen with the correct caliber ammo! Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. In a safe area, muzzle pointed down, use a piece of scrap wood set against the edge of the ejector port on the slide and push down against the grip. One old trick with the .38 Special was to use a 148-gr. What will they suggest as the fix? http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1284373&page=1, Slow feeding a controlled round feed action. A boat tail bullet is more aerodynamic than a flat based bullet, and I do believe that the back side of the bullet is at least nearly as important as the front, so it would be interesting in seeing an exact comparison. I would not be surprised if there were barrel damage also, especially around the throat area. I know this thread is old, but thought what just happened to me might be useful to others. Chamber pressures in this situation can and most certainly will go dangerously high (left, bottom). Regardless, she managed to load the mag backwards. I went out and bought a Marlin Self-Loader .22 Rifle. Such a bullet, however, would produce the worst possible terminal ballistics. Ive always heard that the most aerodynamic shape is a raindrop and the backwards FMJ looks like the mother of all boat-tails, so would it be more or less aerodynamic? May 27, 2012 The wooden dowel is the way to go. If the laser bullet gets damaged/stuck in the chamber also voids the warranty. Slightly oblate. Its bad ju-ju. After all humans are something like 80% water which is a fluid just like air and a bullet designed to move the through the air with as little disturbance as possible will also move through water (humans) with as little disturbance as possible. No harm to me or the gun, but left the case neck in the chamber. I like my hands way to much (This sounded far more innocuous in my head), to try that. Don't strike the case base or primer. bullet stuck in chamber backwardswilliam paterson university application fee waiver. The same procedure was followed from the breech end to locate the rear end of the obstruction and to make a second locating mark on the barrel. You should have had a hard bolt close. FYI, that is not a stovepipe. The destruction of European Civilization - by its own leaders - is one of the most extraordinary acts in all of Human History. -Hungarian Prime Minister, May 2018, "It's such a shame, all the death in the rapper community. It must have happened in the gun. Took me a little to find it but found the video where they did more testing on this years ago. Taurus has redesigned this sporting pistol for performance. Then pour out the powder and soak the inside of the casing/primer with Kroil before trying to dislodge the casing from the barrel with a dowel? Slide is hesitant to move back forward when released. An upfront disclaimer might have been helpful for ADD-afflicted andyounger gunnies. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. Good thing, since I can't get enough of the spring rod visible to get a wrench on anyway. If the case was stuck it should have been hard to open. An abrupt front surface (full wadcutter or backwards bullet) causes turbulence. It's not your case that is stuck in the chamber, it is your bullet. With the bullet removed, I cleaned the bore and checked for damage where the bullet had been stuck. Look. With the slide locked back visually inspect the chamber to insure no live round remains in the barrel. Now in order to insure the gun is empty, rack the slide back and push the slide lock upward with your thumb. If you want to see one round per gel block, you are going to have to start buying them. Hello. [h/t gunwire.com]. . Maybe she didn't pull the trigger. Raindrops are near spherical. The ideal shape for a supersonic projectile is a boat tail ogive. Hrm, Well I was using live rounds. I'm able to move the silde about 10mm and that's it. From what I had heard this technique worked and many German snipers got plastered with metal shards in their faces. I was (am) fond of accuracy. Use a gas shutoff in case of semi-auto and homemade ammo. The bullet never left the case. Maybe some curved needle nose pliers, a very gentle wiggle, a very gentle pull. What is the adjustable wrench hammer treatment? Available in different sizes and red dot ready, it'll fit your needs, whatever they are. If I must use a steel rod, I make sure the contact end of it is perfectly flat and smooth and the edges are slightly rounded. Feb 11, 2022. JavaScript is disabled. The entire round is stuck. I figured after doing this it wouldn't be a good idea. It could be an out of spec cartridge or your might have a chamber on the minimum side of the spec. The magazine blew out the bottom, the shooter experienced stinging "recoil" and the gun locked up, locking the slide in place. 27. Hold the rod tip 10-12 inches above the lodged bullet/stuck case and release the rod allowing gravity to accelerate. Firearm's secure at home at the moment, so haven't tested Springfield's suggestion yet. HBWC with the hollow base turned forward. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. If I load with Xtreme RN bullets everything is fine no mater what. Snipers Hide is a community of Snipers of all kinds, focusing on long range shooting, accuracy, and ballistics. Instead of being able to grip the chamber walls upon firing, a case will jam backwards against the bolt face with who knows what results. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. What a few shotgun blasts between friends? IAFIS is a database that the FBI uses to store information about shell casings. Repeat with a lesser amount of tape for the rest of the rod that will engage the bore. Then use pliers or something to pull the bullet out or the round. why not just cut off a portion of the tip instead of flipping the bullet around? Any help from you gunsmith-types out there would be very much appreciated Re: Live round stuck in chamber - now what? It wont go off by accident. Period. The rod was removed and laid along the barrel with this mark even with the muzzle. 6.8 Western Ammo Options: The Load of Long Yardage, Savage Impulse Straight-Pull Rifle: Full Review. You have entered an incorrect email address! . For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. It worked!! Mar 4th 5th, 2023, Monday 3/6 8:00AM-3:00PM = HB 952 Testimony Signup, Monday 3/6 8:00AM-3:00PM = HB 704 Testimony Signup, Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section, Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses, View up to date on firearm-related events.
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