It seems to happen frequently. I bought it in France and I really don't know what kind of brodie is it and which army used it. dailyinfo[27]=' 5778 Private William CUMMINGS 6th Bn. Hi! Is it a BEF or US helmet? The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. //-->, By What I know so far, He was injured in France in 1940 so was 'dropped' from active service. The Advanced Combat Helmet, the current combat helmet used by the U.S. Army, was included (size large, denoted ACH) for comparison to current combat helmets. Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? ww1, field, identification, tag, a e wilson, 10th, ambulance. Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. ''Everyday you think of living. Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. What mythical beast could that be?? Consequently a plastic liner, engineered by the car company, General Motors, was introduced, and it was this method, albeit with some alterations to the chin straps and other accoutrements, which was employed for decades in conflicts such as the Korean War and the Vietnam War. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . dailyinfo[11]=' Captain Charles Edmund WOOD Mentioned in Despatches Adjt. M42 winter camo. This is due to the split rivet shearing away from strain and the near constant moister of the Western Front. Simultaneously, though, the administration of Woodrow Wilson ordered the production of an American-made helmet. They also have a similar liner and chinstrap. Early Mark I helmet initially had thisfeature only to be discontinue in mid 1916. Is it possible to take a better picture of the helmet, are there any markings inside? I find the M1 an excellent helmet when properly adjusted. stands for General Steel Wares of Toronto, who made helmets from 1940 to 1942. dailyinfo[25]=' 262952 Private Archibald Stanley BURGNEAY 8th Bn. I really don't think there are any other markings. Classic cars The shell is an American made M1917A1 made by the ( McCord Radiator Co ) the heat stamp number( 10C ). After 1936 a new helmet was produced by McCord Radiator Co, the helmets were stamped with 1 or 2 digit numbers, and 1 letter on the rim, all the helmets have the same paint and texture when in factory condition unlike the modified. Click to enlarge the picture 04-08-2013, 01:49 AM#4 homerj109 Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. I think it would be a perfect fit alongside the gas masks in the game, especially with the hype for Battlefield 1 and all. Heres a photo of a little of the remaining paint, it seems dark grey/green to me, and a photo of the inside. The A.E.F. The front is marked in original period paint: Mac Kay C.WU The paint is 100% original. Leinster Regiment who died 27/02/1918 JERUSALEM MEMORIAL Israel and Palestine (including Gaza) ' var fontstart = '' Download this stock image: Canada's Brodie Seger, left, signs a fans helmet after the men's World Cup downhill ski race was cancelled at Lake Louise, Alberta, Friday, Nov. 25, 2022. As a result, it was estimated that the M1 had saved the lives of approximately 70,000 men between the outbreak of the war in late 1941 and its conclusion in the autumn of 1945. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Copyright Treasure Bunker Ltd Danish m23. A heat stamp of 50A with an 'S' beneath it on a Schlueter manufactured helmet. and Gen. Hos. There should not be a threaded nut. Indeed so functional was it and easy to manufacture that the Brodie was purchased by many other countries and the design was adapted by several other European states and even by the United States. It is a much heavier and more robust design. With 'COMET ABL 56' printed inside. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. The helmet resembles an upside down dishpan or washbasin in that it consists of a bowl-shaped cap and a large uniform brim running around the entire exterior. Although the helmet shells do look the same they do not feel the same. This is what so many collectors need to restore an original British WW2 or American WWI Dough Boy helmet to wearable or even presentable condition. Developed by John L. Brodie, the Model 1915 "Brodie" helmet, also known as the "Tommy" helmet, was the first steel helmet introduced to British soldiers during WW1. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. Columbian Enameling & Stamping Co - Terre Haute - Indiana. I'm putting in a picture. else { document.write(fontstart+"No major events today"+fontend); } I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. Clment. 6 Reserve Lorry Park Royal Air Force who died 28/02/1919 BELGRADE CEMETERY Belgium ' Alexander & Sons dailyinfo[12]=' 457 Lance Corporal Arthur Price ROWE 2nd/7th Bn. $150-300 Information & Special Terms Internet Premium : 20% Participation Requirements: Valid Credit Card required for bidding approval Payment Options: Visa, MasterCard, Discover, American Express, Check, Money Order, Wire Transfer, and Cash Visa MasterCard Discover American Express Payment Instructions . dailyinfo[29]=' Oberleutnant zur See Axel Carl Ludwig VON SCHOENERMARCK S.M.S. dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' were refurbished and modified with a new leather liner and web chinstrap. Helmets such as this did not leave the factory this way. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month var dailyinfo= new Array(31) So a large number of Americandough boyswore British made helmets though out their service in France. 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. WW1 BRITISH BRODIE Helmet SOMME relic - 60.00. Original WW1 US English AEF 79th ID British BRODIE M1916 Tommy 79 Helmet. So these were our deliverers at last." The American manufactures used an entirely different method to apply the paint to the helmets. Re: Help Identifying Brodie Helmet A post 1939 dated British Mk2, have a look around the chin strap lugs for a date/maker name. dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. I need help identifying some markings on the second world war brodie. Sign up for a new account in our community. The American bail is made from 12 gauge iron wire. Production of the Mk 1 Brodie helmets . HEAT STAMP 626A. var month=mydate.getMonth()+1 dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made. I suppose your cousins in the US would call it Tommy helmet the Germans went for salad bowl. The truth of the matter is the helmets are different. Is it a WWI or WWII helmet? That's interesting that he was a staff member, because staff members were asked to volunteer to help in fire watching duties, with miles of corridors and hundreds of offices to check. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' Pasted as rich text. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner 374540440490 Fully restored with river gravel finis, M16 LW transitional helmet. Hi, thanks for your reply. IMP. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. The cover was made from the same type of cloth the sand bags the held up the trench wall were made of. There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. 3 days Left Gibson ES-330T Sunburst Electric Guitar. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' However, he has recently discovered that apparently all Brodie and Mk.I helmets were pressed by Joseph Sankey and Sons, so the the initials simply indicate the steel supplier. Original Item: One-of-a-kind. if (dailyinfo[daym] != "") { document.write(fontstart+dailyinfo[daym]+fontend) } He worked in WhiteHall prior to the war as a chartered surveyor. He was on guard duties mostly on the rooftops of parliament apparently with Churchill quite a lot. WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner - $612.65. I'm sorry I could not find a post 1916 stamp (see below for two examples of post Aug 1916 stamps. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. We offer a 100% return policy. I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet. //-->, By F Thomas Firth and Sons Sheffield 1916 1918, FS Thomas Firth and Sons, Sheffield sept. 1915 1919, HS Hadfields Ltd. jan. Sheffield 1916 1919, BS W Beardmore & Co. Ltd. jan. 1916 1919, A Edgar Allen and Co.Sheffield Ltd 1916 1918, HH Harrison Bros. & Howson Ltd. dec. 1915. I too have seen dates on these lugs most often the way your pictures show them. Lots of exciting helmets coming in the near future. dailyinfo[17]=' PLY/3566 Private Samuel ROBINSON H.M.S. There is also a drill hole on rear of the brim. . dailyinfo[2]=' 8020 Serjeant Charles POOLE "C" Coy. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' These helmets were approved for service on 15 May 1916. Production increased rapidly in 1916 and by that summer over a million units had been produced. The helmet is an American M1917 made for the American Expeditionary Force, but very few made it to, The stamp mark on the helmet looks like ZC 3 which is thought to belong to the Edward. Our philosophy is simple, we want to help people to own a piece of World War II history. While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. Thanks Leon21. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' dailyinfo[26]=' Chaplain 4th Class The Rev. I have looked on a couple brodie specialist websites and cant find anything. During the State Opening of Parliament in 1942 they formed a guard of honour for the King in the Royal Gallery and in that same year were inspected by Churchill. The PASGT helmet was a new generation of combat helmet, being made from nineteen layers of Kevlar, a light-weight synthetic fibre material which offered higher levels of protection than the manganese-steel alloy from which the M1s had been manufactured. Probably the most recognised piece of kit from the Second World War is the British tin helmet which was also used in a variety of forms on the Home Front. Meccano Display as a link instead, The British did have an upgrade that was never adopted by the Americans. June 9, 2018 in i read threads forum about brodie he By knowing about a few small details the buyer will never make the mistake of purchase the wrong helmet. By the by, not all MKIIs are British or even issued to troops. Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' if (month<10) month="0"+month dailyinfo[7]=' Lieutenant Thomas Sydney Ough DEALY Australian Flying Corps who died 07/03/1918 STONYHURST COLLEGE BURIAL GROUND United Kingdom ' Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' These heavy finishes were field or depot applied. English: The "Brodie" shrapnel helmet was the flat steel helmet worn by British Empire troops in the first and second world wars, and U.S. troops in World War I. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. Who can tell me about this helmet British WW1 or WW2 or..?? Original WWII British Brodie Steel Helmet in OD Green- WW2 Dated $114.95 400 sold ORIGINAL WWII BRITISH / CANADIAN 1941 HELMET $49.88 $18.00 shipping WW2 Canadian Dispatch Rider Helmet $149.00 0 bids $22.80 shipping 5d 17h Antique World War 2 British Brodie Helmet WW2 $44.00 0 bids $13.30 shipping 3d 11h or Best Offer the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. Royal Air Force who died 24/02/1919 LINCOLN (NEWPORT) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Benjamin Electric Co - Des Plaines - Illinois. FOR SALE! dailyinfo[31]=' 420628 Sapper William Bayne YOUNG 63rd Field Coy. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' document.write; WW1 Canadian British CEF BEF Brodie Helmet & Liner. H.M.S. About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. I am trying to work out what the markings are/ what they mean. Regards, Paul. View detail. Lincolnshire Regiment who died 05/03/1916 CITE BONJEAN MILITARY CEMETERY, ARMENTIERES France ' . It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? Welcome to the Treasure Bunker Forum - Please feel free to join and share your knowledge, with our growing data base of collectors and historians, both new and advanced. 3rd Bn. Really appreciate the expertise provided here and hoping that you can help me with the helmet pictured. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. First thing is to see if you can figure out the unit emblem on the helmet. dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' I know not many American helmets made it overseas, and the painting of division badges on helmets seem to be inconsistent. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. OPH Paste as plain text instead, 5min video no sound date 1918 Military helmets manufactured at a factory in USA. Twenty years of peace followed the end of the First World War before another major international conflict broke out. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. Moreover, many Commonwealth nations and other countries associated with Britain such as Australia, New Zealand, Canada and South Africa began producing their own versions in the interwar years, while adapted versions of the Brodie were also used in some civilian settings in Britain, notably by the police and fire brigade. Some form of identification may be required if you are unknown to us. used by someone in a fire department role, maybe a works fireman. 1-877-862-5245; Home; Contact; About Us; Why Top Pots; i don't know anything about brodie helmet . Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' After many experiments, Brodie came to the conclusion that a relatively simple form of helmet would offer reasonable protection, be serviceable and cheap to produce in large numbers. var day=mydate.getDay() New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France ' Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. This differed from the British helmet, as the Mk. I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. Available on our website now The buckle and loop clamps of the initial issue of this chinstrap were painted green. One is stamped 1938 in the 'furniture' and is either RAF blue or a police issue type. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? lol. By DizzyDeano96 12 months ago. Yet, as well will now see, the Brodies legacy was even greater, for it provided the template for the more influential M1 helmet which was developed in America and which is the most significant military helmet of the twentieth century. Pity the liner is missing can you tell me what shape are the chinstrap loop/lugs, are they square or have. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' Awesome, thanks for the replies. Whether it be a small antique shop, militaria show or even an online auction. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. FOR SALE! The shape of the shell tells me its WWI manufacter. var fontend = '' The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. dailyinfo[19]=' 9228 Corporal George F. PARRY 2nd Bn. Vimy Ridge?, First to adopt Motor machine guns, feared by the Germans for our Shok troop tacktics..HEE HEE HEE, just picking on you. Nevertheless there was some effort to produce a more advanced version of the M1917. = Mine Safety Appliance Co - Pennsylvania. dailyinfo[13]=' 37643 Sapper Thomas John ECCLESTON Tunnelling Coy. Designed to protect from shrapnel shells bursting overhead, it could be pressed from a single sheet of hardened steel, but left the lower parts of the head less protected. The unpainted shell was dipped onto a vat of olive paint. Thank you for that feedback! M1 Helmet Identification; Shipping; Sizing; 1-877-862-5245; TOP POTS - DEDICATED TO M-1 HELMET PRESERVATION. . 1st Bn. The helmet has been varnished. dailyinfo[8]=' 13277 Labourer Klaas NERO South African Native Labour Corps who died 08/03/1917 PUGU ROAD 1914-1918 MEMORIAL Tanzania ' It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. dgirardin 11 months ago. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. Hello Leon. I've just been given what looks like a pretty standard "Tommy" helmet. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Originally this was a hard-hat like support which was designed to fit inside the steel cap, offering comfort, support and an extra layer of protection. Welcome to the forum SR71, there's not much to go on without it's liner. There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. Sign up for a new account in our community. Nevertheless the Brodie name persisted for many years afterwards. WW1 Brodie Helmet - posted in Fallout 4 Mod Requests: Has anyone considered making a WW1 Brodie Helmet for Fallout 4? The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops. Palace of Westminster Home Guard cap badge. The design of the helmet is familiar to anyone who has seen a First World War movie. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. The helmet was then heat cured creating a hard durable textured finish. Most American helmets lack manufacture marks. dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). If anyone knows something about the helmet please tell me I'm very interested to here what you guy are going to say. This difference along is enough identify the origin of the helmet. OPB The final push in using the Brodie was a variant which was produced in 1936 and which saw widespread service by the Norwegians during the German invasion of their country in the spring of 1940 and by the British Expeditionary Force in France several weeks later. Kings Royal Rifle Corps who died 02/03/1915 YPRES (MENIN GATE) MEMORIAL Belgium ' A desirable unit marked helmet can go for around $500.00. dailyinfo[20]=' 10259 Private Charles BUCHANAN 1st Bn. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. Nearly three million of these M1917 helmets were produced by the time that the war ended in November 1918, clearly indicating the importance of an effective military helmet for the American armed forces going forward. Or there are new reproduction liners also on line for sale. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. Upload or insert images from URL. So is there actually a difference? By And later the Germans. He was in his early forties when the war broke out and he turned his attentions to developing a military helmet along the lines that the French had just produced with the Adrian helmet. This helmet, designated "Brodie's Steel Helmet, War Office Pattern" began fielding in October 1915 and gave the name of its inventor to an entire line of stamped steel helmets used by a large number of countries including Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States (which adopted it as the M1917). The first to develop an effective helmet were the French who had developed the steel Adrian helmet by the summer of 1915. It's the bottom left helmet in the photo (sorry this is the only one he has) I know that's not a lot to go on, but can anyone gather some info from this? Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' Upload or insert images from URL. With New Vegas, I luckily was able to use the NCR Trooper Helmet, but there is no helmet like that in this game. BRODIE HELMET $110. Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' NPB. Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. Available on our website now, Danish m23. The British cleverly dealt with this problem by issuing their men with a Hessian cloth cover. Here's a list of WW2 American Helmet Liner Makers. Hi Tom, welcome to the forum. View detail. The British troops followed with the Brodie helmet. 5th Bde. M16 LW transitional helmet. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. WWII British Army MKII Brodie Helmet and Liner Restoration Service RESTORATION SERVICE ONLY. U.S. P17 chinstrap bail SEVER CEMETERY EXTENSION, ROUEN France ' Over the next nearly four years down to the end of the war in August 1945 over 22 million M1s were produced, either for use by America or its allies. Depots simply would repaint helmets where the paint had lost its anti-reflective properties with an extremely heavy gravel finish. Greetings. While the paint was still wet it was dusted with a coat of saw dust. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. UK 155428944961. I'm sorry I don't have the answer to your question, but (and I apologise profoundly for what follows) - what's this about another Great War Forum? SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . sizes 54cm to 62cm. The brim is quite shallow in width & the lining system comprises a padding fixed to the crown comprising layers of felt, lint, and cotton wool. The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat or Lot code, The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the. Yet there is one piece of military headgear from the twentieth century which was used not just in the Second World War, but also in the Korean War, the Indochina or Vietnam War, the Iran-Iraq War, the Falklands War, the Yugoslav Wars, the First Gulf War and a range of smaller conflicts such as the Cambodian Civil War and several localized clashes in Central America and the Caribbean during the 1970s and the 1980s. The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie.
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